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Old 08-02-2010, 01:43 PM
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From what I have read, A heavier wt is better for the larger flies IE: 2 thru 1/0.
On a different note for using the smaller 12 thru 18 flies will a 5/6 wt. be ok? Or a 3/5 wt be better? This would be used for Nymph's mainly for the faster water in S.W. North Carolina. Most of the streams I have seen have alot of brush so a Roll cast seems to be the best. As a 20 to 50 ft. would be the longest.
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: line wt.

I have a 7'9" 5wt that I've been using since 79. Flies down to 22 are not a problem so long as you adapt a leader that will preform with them. For really little streams a 6'6" slow action 3 or 4 wt. is nice but if you have only the one rod and it being longer I would stay in the 5/6 range.

Look at it this way, a 6wt will cast a size 16 - 22 with the right leader configuration but a short 3wt. will not work very well with a size 2 streamer or a sink tip, split shot etc.

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Old 08-02-2010, 01:59 PM
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either would be fine. like Ard, i also have a 7'9" 5wt that i like a lot. but for all around NC stream fishing, i think a 7.5'-8' 4wt med. action is great.
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Default Re: line wt.

Ard this is a 8' 5/6 appears to have a med action to it.Spooled with a WFF6wt You mentioned leaders, what would you recommend for flies in the 12 to 18 size?
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Humm,

I used to build my own and was a fan of using Mason Hard Nylon for the butts which I made rather stout (.22 inch or so) and then Maxima tapered down to a 7 or 8X tippet when 8X became available. Now days I do not build but buy a Dai Riki knotless leader in 7 or 9 foot and add a couple sections to get what I need for a good turnover of the tiny flies. I start with a 5 or 6X and then tip the leader. You could just get a finished leader at 9 or 12 feet that tapers down to 7X and see how it suits your casting style.

For small streams 9 or 12 is going to be too much and you will need to find light leaders in 7'. I never had too many instances where there were really small flies on really small streams. Don't know why that is but it seems a 16 in a good pattern was as small as I had to go. What species of trout are you fishing for and have you noted really small hatches that they are feeding on?
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From what I know there are Brown Trout and Rainbows. I have only fished one time before in Highlands NC. I never saw any Hatch per say. I am all new to this so I have been doing alot of research. I found a forum Carolina on the fly seems to be not much traffic. But some insight for NC fishing. info.
From what I have read using Nymps in a 12-18 and dry flies in a 14-16 is what most use. This is a list that I found that a Guide put together.
Flies to use
in Western North Carolina!!!
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Dry Flies
Sizes 14-20
Wuff Patterns (Royal, Tennessee & Gray) Humphies (Orange, Red & Olive)
Adams (Classic & Parachute) Stimulators (Olive, Yellow & Orange)
Hoppers (Dave's & Henry's Fork) Elk Hair Caddis (Tan, Olive & Gray)
Ants (Great droppers, all types and colors) March Brown (Classic & Parachute)
Blue Wing Olives (Classic & Parachute) Hare's Ear (Classic & Parachute)


Adams Parachute #16 Orange Wulff #14
Yellow Stimulator #14 Tan Elk-Wing Caddis #16
Blue-Wing Olive #16 March Brown Parachute #14
Yellow Humpy #14 Tennessee Wulff #14

Nymphs
Sizes 12-18
Sow Bugs Tellico (Classic & Bead Head)
Prince (Classic & Bead Head) Early Stone (Black & Golden)
Hare's Ear (Classic & Bead Head) Flash Backs (Classic & Bead Head)
Midges
Sizes 20-26
Adams Black Olive
Brown Griffith's Gnat Dun
Streamers
Sizes 8-12
Black Marabou Little Brook Trout
Brown Crayfish Royal Coachman
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Default Re: line wt.

If the stream is not under a lot of fishing pressure they should take anything if they are not alarmed by anything (be cautious) I used to use the old (easy to tie) Bi Visible for such streams. Pretty good floater if you have stiff hackle. You should be able to find the pattern with a quick search.

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Thanks Ard for all the info.
Also thanks to Steve on the Pink insight.
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you may have seen this already, but here are the designated streams in jackson county around highlands.
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From what I have read, A heavier wt is better for the larger flies IE: 2 thru 1/0.
That is a good general observation.

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On a different note for using the smaller 12 thru 18 flies will a 5/6 wt. be ok? Or a 3/5 wt be better?
Rods and lines make a delivery system. The more mass that is on the leader will determine which delivery system that you need. If you are using multiple flies, lead or tungsten weight, indo-bobbers, you may want to consider using a 5 or 6 weight. If you are dead drifting nymphs without weight, you can fish a 3 to 5 weight.

Another concern is the rod's backbone for larger fish? A 20" wild Rainbow Trout is plenty of fight on a 5 weight. It's more of a fight on a 3 weight. Could one catch a large fish on a lighter rod? Yes, but the fight could go longer than one wishes although there are some skilled fishers who could make the fight shorter.

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This would be used for Nymph's mainly for the faster water in S.W. North Carolina. Most of the streams I have seen have alot of brush so a Roll cast seems to be the best. As a 20 to 50 ft. would be the longest.
Faster water would make me err towards a heavier rod. The addition of the hydraulics and surface tension add a bit more resistance when pulling a nymph rig out of the water.

As for roll casting distance, a heavier delivery system will roll your nymph rigs further.

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