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Old 08-20-2010, 01:24 AM
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Question Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

I tagged this question earlier on another older somewhat-related thread, but got no response (that's what I get for hijacking ), so thought I'd ask it again in a dedicated thread since it's an urgent question for me.

What I am looking for is a 3-weight suitable for Rocky Mountain small-stream spooky trout with enough brush and canopy to make my 4-weight 10-footer or 5-weight 8'9" rods a foolish choice.

I'd been thinking of the Echo2 7'8" # 3, a major appeal being the two different tips the rod comes with - a fast action "A" tip and a medium fast "D" tip. However, the current $100-off sale price on an Orvis Superfine Trout Bum 7'6" # 3 with a "Full Flex 2.5" action has me considering this rod as well. Even though the Orvis is normally more than twice as expensive as the Echo 2, with its $100 sale discount and another $100 I have in various Orvis gift certificates the price gap closes to near a tolerable $100.

Under these price circumstances, which rod would you chose (or other rods which you think are more cost-effective for the need)?
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:46 AM
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hands down the orvis rod, nothing more is needed to be said.
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

I agree with Bob,

The shorter rod with the fiberglass action will make the best rod for sneaky fishing. Fro really tight stuff I'd go to 6'6" if they have one.
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

Hi Fly2Fish,

For the Rocky Mountains I think the Orvis 7'6" 3wt would be a good choice. Another thing to consider is the Orvis 7'0" 4wt. Then you could use the same reels and lines that you already have for your 4wt.

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Another thing to consider is the Orvis 7'0" 4wt. Then you could use the same reels and lines that you already have for your 4wt.

I basically do this.

Lately I have been going to a lots of small streams that I have never been to before and so I'm not sure what it will be like.

I have a Redington CT 8'6" 4wt and a White river ultra light 5'8" 4 wt.

So I kinda guess before I head of down to the stream and rig up one of them, then stick the other rod into my pack.

I have had times when I thought I would need the short rod and then found that the longer one would be better so I just swap out the reel, and vice versa.
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

I am betting the Orvis would be a delight. Made with the same thermoplastic resin found in the Helios.
Going to be LIGHT!!!! The reel seat is awesome and the full flex is a dream. Saves on Tippet also.

I like the Echo 2, but "I" would definitely go with the Trout Bum....oh wait, I already did....LOL
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

Orvis if it were me.
The extra tip on the Echo is just a waste of graphite. Good idea if it worked. I think it's just a selling point. You would put the distance tip on and it would stay. The accuracy tip is a joke.
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

If it were me fishing those conditions I would get the 761-4 Trout Bum (1wt). However given the fact you want a 3wt.....I would still get the Orvis rod.

I had a 761-4 Trout Bum and that thing was fun. The only reason I sold it is that I found a rod that I liked even better (so I bought quite a few of them). I have never fished the 763-4 Trout Bum 3wt; if it is anything like my old rod you should be happy with it.
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

Okay, from Sandfly onwards it's unanimous for the Orvis Superfine Trout Bum (Mojo & Joni pretty much put away the Echo 2, for reasons I was also wondering about). I don't know where else someone could get the quality advice that you all have given me here. You've gotten me thinking beyond the box I'd placed myself in. For example, I really don't know why I picked a 3-weight for these conditions rather than, say, a 1, 2 or 4-weight, except that I thought a 1-weight might be a bit extreme in case I tied into something that I'd wear out before landing (although Sasha disabuses me of this notion) and a 4-weight might not be delicate enough for dry fly presentations in these conditions. Another reason for the 3-weight was that I could perhaps use one of my BBS II reels for a 3-weight as well as for my Helios ZG 10' 4-weight (or instead get a shorter and more flexible Superfine 4-weight as Frank and Mudbug suggest, for not only reel but line-sharing reasons). However, if it makes sense to really step down to a shorter rod for overgrown creeks along the lines that Ard suggests, then perhaps Orvis' Superfine Trout Bum 6'0" 2-weight Full-Flex 3.0 makes more sense as an alternative to my 10' 4-weight or 8'9" 5-weight if I'm willing to shell out for another reel (BBS I?) and line.
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Default Re: Orvis Superfine Trout Bum v. Echo 2?

Yes there are the people that think you have to have a 4wt on small streams. However you would be surprised at what this rod can do. Like I stated in my last post the only reason I sold mine is that I found a rod I liked even better. Here are some of my old shots of the Trout Bum 1wt:


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