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Old 01-18-2009, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

They might weigh several rods & use the lightest one as a weight reference.
I am trying to find out if the latest GLX blank is the same as the original,
with the exception of the color. Have always preferred the matte grey but must say that the matte moss is very nice.
Was told that the Orvis ZG & H blanks are identical, just use different hardware.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:45 PM
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The Zero was the start of the technology, but I don't think it is the same blank...just an intro to the new material.
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Building upon our Zero Gravity’s exclusive thermoplastic resin technology, which is stronger and lighter than the epoxy resins used to make traditional fly rods, the designers found an exciting new scrim in the space satellite industry. This unidirectional graphite scrim with a thermoplastic binder gives us the same strength in our rods, but uses much less material. We reduced the weight on our new Helios blanks by 25% less than our already lightweight Zero Gravity blanks. Then the rod team designed, from scratch, new reel seats that would keep the 25% weight reduction throughout the entire rod.
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

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Was told that the Orvis ZG & H blanks are identical, just use different hardware.
The tapers may be the same but the Helios seem to be made of a new, secret sauce!
One thing is for sure, the H ain't your Grandpa's ZG!

http://www.orvis.com/intro.asp?subject=3432

Building upon our Zero Gravity’s exclusive thermoplastic resin technology, which is stronger and lighter than the epoxy resins used to make traditional fly rods, the designers found an exciting new scrim in the space satellite industry. This unidirectional graphite scrim with a thermoplastic binder gives us the same strength in our rods, but uses much less material. We reduced the weight on our new Helios blanks by 25% less than our already lightweight Zero Gravity blanks. Then the rod team designed, from scratch, new reel seats that would keep the 25% weight reduction throughout the entire rod.
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Old 01-18-2009, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

We read the same sites Jackster...LOL But I also read about it before the Helio's came out in a magazine review.
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

Will take your word for it. Everyone seems to be cooking up a new brew every year.
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

Let me clear up one issue in my mind....is this a trout rod?

If this is mostly a trout tod, then i think you will like the winston over the Sage or Orvis. The reason i say this is because the winston has better feel for one. But the biggest factor is casting range. Neither the sage z-zxis or orvis 2009 helios will do well within about 30 feet, and id say 50% of trout cast are under 30 feet.
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Let me clear up one issue in my mind....is this a trout rod?

If this is mostly a trout tod, then i think you will like the winston over the Sage or Orvis. The reason i say this is because the winston has better feel for one. But the biggest factor is casting range. Neither the sage z-zxis or orvis 2009 helios will do well within about 30 feet, and id say 50% of trout cast are under 30 feet.
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

I work at a fly shop, this is from my experience. Im not very brand oriented, but thats just from my knowledge.

I will say this, the 2009 helios is VERY light. For some reason it just didn't have the trout like feel, like i feel the winston does
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

Like I said, I have both and they both rock as far as trout, but I do like the mid flex Orvis over the tip flex. The Sage a little too crisp so that one I agree.
As far as casting 30'...that is up to me the caster and I can do that with either with ease.
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Default Re: Sage Z-Axis vs Winston Boron IIx

I agree with that, and no two people will always like the same rod. If this is at all possible, you should test cast them.

If not, its going to be tougher for you to decide, but with a winston or an orvis, i think youll be pleased.
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