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Old 05-17-2009, 10:02 PM
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Default Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

Hey everyone, I was just lookin for your impressions on some new rod choices.

I'm finally finishing my grad degree, and figured a new rod and reel is in order. I've decided to go mid range as far as price/quality are concerned. I've been looking mostly at the Winston Vapor, Diamondback Flawless, and Sage Flight.

Thinking of matching with a Ross CLA or Evolution (since J Ryall is impossible for me to find).

I'm a bit more comfortable with Med-Fast actions (been using a cortland starter for years that is definitely slow-med!!), which is leading me more towards a Winston.

Any info you guys have would be great!!
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

Sorry... forgot to mention that I'm looking for a 4 wt. and around 7'6-8'6 length.
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Old 05-18-2009, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

I will say that the Flight is a fast rod. I own a 6 wt. and it is as fast as a Z axis with a tiny bit stiffer tip. As far as the others go I don't know, have never cast them, but I know the brands are good brands. I think the Vapor will be a more med. fast than fast like the Flight. Good luck! Choosing a new rod is a fun problem to have!
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

I would just skip the Vapor altogether. The Flight is going to be fast, as
Dorian said. You can get a very nice St. Croix Avid (Made in USA) for $220,
and the Evolution is a very nice reel. My only experience with Diamondback has
been with the Americana and Aeroflex series. Both were nice (and Made in the
USA), but I don't have any experience with the Flawless. Cortland owns
DB, and it seems like they don't really know what to do with the brand name.
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

Yo! Here's a Redington CPS for 1/2 price: CLICK HERE They have a lifetime breakage warranty, and were very well liked before
being discontinued. Don't worry about the discontinued thing: Redington will
give you the CPX if your rod breaks (I called ).

I'd have a tough time choosing between a 7'6" and 8'6" 4wt. I have a few
4wt's in both lengths, and they are very different. For small streams both
would work well, but the 8'6" will get your line out faster on larger water. I
can cast my 7'6" 4wt almost as far as the 8'6" rods, but it might take one or
two more false casts. Mending is usually easier with a longer rod, but I'm 6'2"
tall, and I seem to mend fine with a 7'6". Cast a few if possible, and that'll
help much more than reading these posts .
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

I have a J. Ryall reel for a 4wt rod--never been used. I would consider selling it, if you're interested.
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

Thanks everyone!!
I'll be sure to keep posted as I go out and test these rods for myself. Frank, why do you say to stay away from the Vapor (I'm guessing since it's manufactured outside the u.s.)??
I'd love to get the WT, it's just so damn pretty, but I think out of my price range for now, haha.
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

There's a Winston dealer not far from where I live, and the Ascent and Vapor
seem to have little in common with other Winstons. In fact, it's really just
an import rod with the Winston name. They both feel stiff and dead compared
to Made in USA Winstons, and if they didn't have the Winston name, I doubt
they'd sell a single rod.

Having said that, the St. Croix Avid is 100% St. Croix-ish, and an
excellent value for the money.
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

What length? Line size? And general purpose are you looking for this rod to perform?

The Flawless is a fast rod and one of the first rods I grab when I'm fishing heads or know it's going to be windy. I also like them for big flys.
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:38 AM
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Default Re: Winston Vapor vs DB Flawless vs Sage Flight

Thanks again guys!

I did hear that about the lower end Winstons, but still worth a shot just to test them out.

I actually just moved to Minneapolis, so I'll mostly be doing smaller spring creeks for little brookies and browns. The places I've checked out so far lead me to believe I won't be casting more than about 40'.

I did just find out my family is planning on giving me a nice little cash gift for finishing my grad degree , so I think I may be able to look at the ZXL, or the WT...

I had casted some St Croix's a long time ago, and didn't like it so much, but then again, it's been a few years since I've done any of this, and what do I know? haha
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