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View Poll Results: What type of leader do you use?
Tapered 68 50.00%
Knotted 32 23.53%
Furled 42 30.88%
other? 13 9.56%
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:05 PM
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I have both the Maxima Chameleon and the Clear, and except for the color, they're the same.
I've never tried the Ultra Green, but supposedly unlike the other two, it's a soft mono.
Soft mono material is more supple and important for a drag free presentation. Hard mono (the other two) is stiffer and turns over well, but should never be used as trout tippet material
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That's what I figured but wasn't sure if there was any difference in performance between the Chameleon and Clear. So either is a good choice for the butt section, just a matter of preference on color - is that what I hear you saying Rip Tide? Thanks for the info.

I like Power Flex for tippet, I've used it for a long time and haven't had any issues.
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Default Re: What type of leader do you use?

Dean,

I have been building my one leaders for years. I use mostly furled leaders made out of various materials.
My Reasons, Furled leaders LAST…. They provide amazing energy transfer.

Dry Fly Fishing, Leaders made from Uni-Thread are my go to leader, in my opinion, they are un-matched by any other material for the way they present a dry.
Small Nymph Fishing: I use a 50” Thread Hi-Vis Leader. The upper Portion (18” long) of leader is brightly colored and treated to float. The lower portion sinks fast (un-treated) These work great as a strike indicator with small nymphs.
Large/Heavy Nymph Fishing, I use furled Fluorocarbon Leaders.

If you are looking to build your own Furled leaders and you have questions, PM me and I will do what I can to help you out.

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That's what I figured but wasn't sure if there was any difference in performance between the Chameleon and Clear. So either is a good choice for the butt section, just a matter of preference on color - is that what I hear you saying Rip Tide? Thanks for the info.
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Most guys like the Chameleon, but I don't know why. Might be only because it's different.
Makes no difference to me as I always change to a soft material when I get to the business end
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:49 AM
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CutThroat, Can furled leaders be built with a taper like braided leaders? The energy transfer from line to leader is crucal regardless of leader material or design. This is easily checked by grasping the line and leader butt equal didtances - 5 or 6" - from the leader connection and bending to form an arched curve. If you get a uniform parabala you have a good match for energy transfer, a hindg of any kind indicates your presentations will sufffer. A major reason for building your own leaders using a moderatly stiff butt section is to better match this transfere from thicker tipped, more supple fly line to thinner but stiffer mono (or fuoro). Many extruded leaders provide a less than satisfactory transfer yielding a wild, curly pig-tail off the end of an otherwise nicely formed casting loop. The lack of memory and greater mass of a braided butt leader, Zap-a-Gap spliced to the tip of your line, offers an excelent dry fly presentation solution for 4 and 5 weight line outfits, perhps a furled leader does as well if it can be matched to the diameter of the tip of the line for this ideal transfere of casting energy.
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I primarily fish dries now and use a standard tapered 3x, 9 foot leader...then immediately add a tippet ring on the end....then varying lengths of 4x thru 7x extensions. all mono except for 6x and 7x tippets (fluoro). I use pretty long leaders....I consider 13 feet to be short. I started noticing that my leaders were approaching 17-18 feet and thought maybe I'm crazy. ..but I felt better as I just started reading Harrops's book Learning from the Water and in his chapter "The Long Leader".....18 feet seems to be his standard length and he talks about sometimes going to 22 feet. The main thing is that you are able to properly cast it and deliver the fly. If you feel the length is causing an issue shorten up.
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I primarily fish dries now and use a standard tapered 3x, 9 foot leader...then immediately add a tippet ring on the end....then varying lengths of 4x thru 7x extensions. all mono except for 6x and 7x tippets (fluoro). I use pretty long leaders....I consider 13 feet to be short. I started noticing that my leaders were approaching 17-18 feet and thought maybe I'm crazy. ..but I felt better as I just started reading Harrops's book Learning from the Water and in his chapter "The Long Leader".....18 feet seems to be his standard length and he talks about sometimes going to 22 feet. The main thing is that you are able to properly cast it and deliver the fly. If you feel the length is causing an issue shorten up.
Walter - I've been reading some about leaders too, hence this poll and thread. Leader length is dependent on a lot of factors, so to just say that 18 feet is a standard for Harrop you have to consider how and where he fishes. This is probably his leader for the Henry's where long casts, perfect presentation and long drifts are the norm. If you are making shorter casts then a much shorter leader is a lot easier to cast.

This is all about casting ability too. I personally wouldn't be able to straighten an 18' leader...or 15' for that matter. To do so you have to be casting 70' and I rarely do that. If you don't have a sufficient amount of line to load the rod with sufficient energy you cannot lay out a long leader.

I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong, you just have to take the actual fishing situation into consideration. Which is another reason I am going to start tying my own leaders.

So what kind of fishing do you do and why do feel the need for 17-18' leaders?

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CutThroat, Can furled leaders be built with a taper like braided leaders? The energy transfer from line to leader is crucal regardless of leader material or design. This is easily checked by grasping the line and leader butt equal didtances - 5 or 6" - from the leader connection and bending to form an arched curve. If you get a uniform parabala you have a good match for energy transfer, a hindg of any kind indicates your presentations will sufffer.
I'm know you asked CutThroat, and he certainly knows a lot more about it, but furled leaders are indeed tapered. By all accounts I've heard furled are like braided, but much preferred because they don't pick up micro-float-sum, get dirty and sink.

Your other point brings up the issue of loop to loop connections. If you use a short butt section - as close to your line stiffness - nail-knotted to the line, do you use a loop to loop then for changing leaders mid-stream and or do you feel that is to much of a hinge and cut and re-nail knot a new leader?
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Default Re: What type of leader do you use?

I use leaders that I tie for for tight line and deep water indicator nymph fishing. Last year I started using furled leaders made by Joni for fishing dries. However, I decided to try the Cutthroat leaders for both dries and for nymphs this weekend on my clubs trip to the Truckee, CA area. I also plan on purchasing one of the Hemingway Czech Nymph furled leaders mostly to see how it is made and if I would like it for tight lining. I really like the concept, behind furled leaders and as I almost always say the possibility of saving money and time, by not having to purchase as much fluorocarbon butt material or tie my tapered leaders. For dry flies I haven't used anything that turns over flies as well and effortlessly as furled leaders.
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Walter - By all accounts I've heard furled are like braided, but much preferred because they don't pick up micro-float-sum, get dirty and sink.

Your other point brings up the issue of loop to loop connections. If you use a short butt section - as close to your line stiffness - nail-knotted to the line, do you use a loop to loop then for changing leaders mid-stream and or do you feel that is to much of a hinge and cut and re-nail knot a new leader?
I have used 6' tapered braided butts from Orvis for 26 years. I insert the tip of the line into the hollow braid and seal it with Zap-a-Gap then 12-turn nail knot a section of 0X to the tip of the braid and build down conventionally to a 4 to 5' tippet section. This leader is typically abouat 14' long for my #4 & 5 outfits and is used on technical dry fly water. For #6 I use hand built hard to medium to supple mono leaders. I do a 12-turn nail knot to the tip of the line with .022 stiff RIO and blood knot on down to my tippet where I switch to a ligiture knot. This leader is used from a drift boat or for less technical larger fly casting (Salmon Flies anyone?). For salt I nail knot a 4' section of #40 fluro and here, because wind determins the length of leader I want to use, I form a small perfection loop which mates to the same on the next #30 section. I will have a pair of all fluro leaders built, one of about 9' and another going 13 - 15 feet. These are used on #8 & 9 riggs for bonefish and striped bass on the flats. I change leaders VERY infrequently, re-building as necessary during the course of a fishing trip or even a full season. Barring an extreme misshap, the braided leaders last the 3 year life span of a fly line.

How does one affix a furled leader to the tip of the fly line and what quality of energy transfer is achivable?
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I used hand tied leaders but realized the main reason they are hand tied is to get a taper that transmits energy smoothly. I now use knotless tapered leaders because the steps in size are seamless and ultra smooth. Having no algae-grabbing knots is just a plus.
I guess I'm just new-fashioned!
I feel the same about bamboo fly rods. They've spent over a century trying to come up with the attributes plastic fly rods easily provide.

For very small streams I make short thread-based furled leaders. Many times you don't have any line out past the rod tip so it is great having the furled leaders act just like a fine fly line. You can cast and throw beautiful loops with just the leaders alone. That is great for really tight spots.

Side note: Everyone knows that Maxima always measures in 0.001-2" oversized, right?
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