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View Poll Results: What type of leader do you use?
Tapered 68 50.00%
Knotted 32 23.53%
Furled 42 30.88%
other? 13 9.56%
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:18 PM
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I've used them all in the past at some point or another. Currently I'm using a furrled and just love it. Never have to worry about straightening it, just tie on a new length of tippit as necessary, and it casts great too. One draw back is that you have to treat it with floatant every once in a while to keep it floating when fishing the dries. But that's not too inconvient compared to how well it fishes...at least for me anyways.
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Default Re: What type of leader do you use?

Thanks for all the responses and comments.

Since it looks like at least a few more weeks before the rivers around here get close to being in shape I think I'll make some knotted leaders (found an incredible resource of formulas online) and also try some furled. I've been wanting to try furling, too, but maybe I'll just one to start out.

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I make my own with ANDE mono. I know what it will break at and can make them to suit what I'm doing.
I'm with Dan on this one. I've alway sworn by ANDE mono. I used to tie them, for the last two years I've been twisting ANDE mono in different configurations to suit the application.
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Walter - I've been reading some about leaders too, hence this poll and thread. Leader length is dependent on a lot of factors, so to just say that 18 feet is a standard for Harrop you have to consider how and where he fishes. This is probably his leader for the Henry's where long casts, perfect presentation and long drifts are the norm. If you are making shorter casts then a much shorter leader is a lot easier to cast.

This is all about casting ability too. I personally wouldn't be able to straighten an 18' leader...or 15' for that matter. To do so you have to be casting 70' and I rarely do that. If you don't have a sufficient amount of line to load the rod with sufficient energy you cannot lay out a long leader.

I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong, you just have to take the actual fishing situation into consideration. Which is another reason I am going to start tying my own leaders.

So what kind of fishing do you do and why do feel the need for 17-18' leaders?

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I'm know you asked CutThroat, and he certainly knows a lot more about it, but furled leaders are indeed tapered. By all accounts I've heard furled are like braided, but much preferred because they don't pick up micro-float-sum, get dirty and sink.

Your other point brings up the issue of loop to loop connections. If you use a short butt section - as close to your line stiffness - nail-knotted to the line, do you use a loop to loop then for changing leaders mid-stream and or do you feel that is to much of a hinge and cut and re-nail knot a new leader?
Hi Dean.....you are correct that the river dictates the leader length and I should have clarified......this year I've been fishing the Upper delaware River (west and east branches) in NY and the Farmington River in CT - I dare say these are as technical as you can get and very likely on par with the most technical Montana Spring Creek ... There are times that I feel the Upper Delaware can be so challenging a 50 foot leader can't help you - fortunately I enjoy success also.
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CutThroat, Can furled leaders be built with a taper like braided leaders? The energy transfer from line to leader is crucal regardless of leader material or design. This is easily checked by grasping the line and leader butt equal didtances - 5 or 6" - from the leader connection and bending to form an arched curve. If you get a uniform parabala you have a good match for energy transfer, a hindg of any kind indicates your presentations will sufffer. A major reason for building your own leaders using a moderatly stiff butt section is to better match this transfere from thicker tipped, more supple fly line to thinner but stiffer mono (or fuoro). Many extruded leaders provide a less than satisfactory transfer yielding a wild, curly pig-tail off the end of an otherwise nicely formed casting loop. The lack of memory and greater mass of a braided butt leader, Zap-a-Gap spliced to the tip of your line, offers an excelent dry fly presentation solution for 4 and 5 weight line outfits, perhps a furled leader does as well if it can be matched to the diameter of the tip of the line for this ideal transfere of casting energy.

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Yes Furled Leaders are tapered. We differ on the idea that stiffness is an important aspect of a leader. The energy transfer is dervied from the cross section dia of the leader. You want the butt end of the leader to be close to the same diameter of your fly line. That is why furled leaders are sized per fly line weight rather than leader weight. The benefits of furled leaders is that that are made with materials that are not stiff and do not have memory. Therefore every bit of energy from the cast gets to the fly and is not lost in coiled memory. Memory in your leader (mono / nylon) equals loss of energy. Huge thunder storm coming into Boise right now. I am shutting down the computer. I'll check back soon.

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I have a cutthroat furled leader on my 4 wt.
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Default Re: What type of leader do you use?

Mike, I do not dissagree with you re. 'stiffness'. I like braided butts a lot and understand the matching of mass from line tip to leader butt. I feel the braid acts as a continuation of the taper of the fly line. I have stuck with braides because of their hollow core, facilitating a clean splice...how do you affix your furled leader to the fly line?

My stiff mono butt comment (directed at line weights #6 and heavier) for hand knotted leaders is in compensation for the requisit discrepency of diammeter. Further, my idea of stiff is RIO Max which is really med. stiff. I will soak my all mono leader in warm water, tie a small weight to its tippet and hang it to delete the memory coils (oops, I am giving up one of my secret techniques!).
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I have a cutthroat furled leader on my 4 wt.
Im thinking about buying one and Im wondering how does it cast?
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I like the Orvis leaders with the handshake loops.
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Default Re: What type of leader do you use?

With the exception of my finest trout leaders I use Ande mono for all my leaders. Great for knot strength and takes a beating. Plus I know at what point it will break.
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