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Old 02-15-2013, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

I use WF lines. Most of my fishing is on small streams, so the DT doesn't really come into play on the short casts.
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Use both...even used parallel silk lines for a whileit's the pocket waters specialists' favorite...
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WF is all i use.
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

I use WF 75% of the time for practice casting. For fishing situations it's probably more half and half. I'll use WF for the times I'm looking for longer casts; but most of my fiberglass seems to prefer DT, and DT usually casts plenty far enough. Once in a while I'll mix it up and use a level silk line with a furled leader.
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Old 11-30-2013, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

WF for 5 and above DT 4 and below.
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

I like dt lines for light rods...if you turn them around it's like getting 2 for1.
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

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4 Wt: DT
5 - 12 Wt: WF

TT
I agree

4 wt line or lower = DT

5 wt line or higher = WF


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Originally Posted by s fontinalis View Post
WF for all too.
Loads the rod better at shorter distances.
Not so.


I don't know how many times this subject has come up but mis-information abounds when discussing standard WF and DT lines. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE FRONT TAPER OF A DT AND THE CORRESPONDING WF FLY LINE. They are identical for the first 30 feet in mass and mass distribution. THEREFORE, FOR THE FIRST 30 FEET, THEY CAST AND MEND IDENTICALLY.

It is after the first 30 feet that differences can occur. If you only fish short casts, get a DT. If you roll cast often get a DT. If you need to shoot long casts, get a WF.

Read what Bruce Richards, fly line developer for Scientific Anglers, has to say about DT vs WF lines:

"Almost all WF lines have heads that are 35-40 feet long. Add a 9-foot leader and the distance to the fly from the end of the head is 44- to 49-feet. Up to this distance when both DT and WF lines control and roll cast the same. There are not many typical trout fishing situations that require longer casts. What this all means is that DT and WF lines work pretty much the same at the distances we fish most often."

"Everybody knows that WF lines are better for distance than DT lines, but is that really true? Well, yes, but the difference isn't as big as you might think. Because of their small, light running lines, WF lines shoot better. But remember, this benefit starts at 44- to 49-feet when the running line is in the rod. If your fishing situation calls for many long casts, it is certainly a little easier to do with a WF line but don't think that DT lines won't shoot. They will, just not as far."

- Double Taper Versus Weight Forward: Which is Really Better? Fly Fishing Information Center

The VP for Orvis in charge of fly lines says the same thing in a podcast.

Orvis and Cortland used to publish their tapers. Orvis still does but Cortland does not. I compared them and the front tapers were identical for comparable fly lines. It is really not fair to compare bass tapered WF's with regular DT's and say the tapers are different. In every instance in which I was able to obtain a chart of DTs and WF's of identical fly line series such as the Cortland 444SL lines, the front tapers of both DT and WFs have been identical.

However the WF has a rear taper that leads to the running line and the lines differ in this regard. I believe that the lines are identical until the rear taper begins. If you will look at the Orvis chart below, and compare the two charts for the Wonderline Generation 3 Trout Fly Line in WF and DT you can confirm what I have said. For example the 5 wt of both fly lines have a tip length of 6" and a front taper of 66". Add the distance until the rear taper begins and the lines are identical for the first 37 ft. That is why Bruce Richards says they cast the same. To say that DT's cast better on shorter casts is simply not possible unless we are talking about two different types of fly lines like a regular DT vs a bass taper WF line.

Orvis makes an easy mending WF line that is longer headed WF that the Orvis says combines the best of Dt and WF's but that also is not an apples to apples comparison.

Fly Line Taper Charts | Reference ? Orvis Fly Fishing

If anyone can find an online comparison of tapers from the major companies of identical series of fly lines in DT and WF that show a difference in the front taper, I would appreciate the URL.

Since lower weight lines are more often used on small streams, I buy DT lines for 4 wt and below, and WF for 5 wt and above. It is less likely that I will be need long casts when fishing these lower weight lines and more likely for higher weight lines. Lower weight lines are also for smaller flies. Depending on how you use your fly lines, you may still want to use a WF for 4 wt lines and the DT lines for 3 wt and below.

I suggest you adopt this method and decide when you want to make the change form DT to WF. The reason to use a DT rather than a WF is that DT lines have two presentation ends and they will last twice as long. It is a money saving method.
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

In general the first thirty feet of the DT and the WF are the same so if I'm fishing out to 50 feet with the rod and leader taken in to consideration it makes absolutely no difference to me. You really have to get out past 50 feet before the characteristics in the different designs come to play, but myself I have to question the value attributed to the WF line with regard to it's shooting ability. How much further does it shoot...5 feet?...and that 5 feet is happening at the full distance cast of the line, not at true fishing distances. The DT will shoot line also and hold it's own with a thin running line of the WF. Fishing at 90 feet represents way less than 1% of all my experience so I have a hard time realizing any benefit whatsoever.

I think the fly fishing community will agree that the DT shines at line mending at long distance...distance out beyond the 30 foot common line designs of both the DT and WF because the DT has the mass to get the rod tip flicks through the tip to the end of the line on the water. I agree !

With line mending superiority, I have personally found that the DT will fish better at longer distances too. Lay out a 60 footer and you'll see that it takes quite a bit of exaggerated rod manipulation to connect with the fly end and give it some action; also the hook setting qualities of the DT are never mentioned in these discussions and there is no doubt in my experience that a quick flip of the rod tip with the DT will set a hook at 50-60 feet, where the WF line loses speed in the slack you have in the line on the water and just doesn't get to the hook point.

End tapers and back tapers are another discussion and I think most of the concerns with presentation can be solved with the leader, but that's my opinion. In other words ...I could very well fish with a level line and fish well enough given a leader that will soak up some of the energy in the cast. I fish both WF and DT lines only because I can get a value price on the lines but if given the choice I'd fish the DT no problem, especially at + 50 foot distances.
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Default Re: Floating line... WF or DT

I use both. For tough, clear rivers with slow flows trout I think a DT (assuming there's enough room behind to get the line properly arielised) offers a more delicate presentation and less chance of spooking already skittish trout.

Interesting discussion above about the properties of DT and WF. I agree there is a lot of misunderstanding out there on tapers.
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I use both. For tough, clear rivers with slow flows trout I think a DT (assuming there's enough room behind to get the line properly arielised) offers a more delicate presentation and less chance of spooking already skittish trout.

Interesting discussion above about the properties of DT and WF. I agree there is a lot of misunderstanding out there on tapers.
Silver covers this question about 40 times a year.

DT lines are not more delicate than a WF line -- it all depends on the front taper. I have WF lines (like the rio trout LT) that are more delicate than almost any DT line you can buy.

DT lines are not inherently more delicate than WF lines!!!!!!!

If you fish small streams/rivers and will only cast short distances, use either.

IF you're fishing with a 3-weight or under fly line, a DT makes the most sense to me (since there isn't enough mass difference between the head and the running line of a WF line in these smaller sizes to take advantage of the shootability).

If you fish longer distances and would like to shoot more line to reach out, go for the WF line.

If you roll cast and mend over long distances, and/or like SH spey casting over longer distances, I prefer a DT line.

I like DT lines for nearly everything, but use a WF on my 8-weight.

An oversimplified rule of mine is <5-weight, go DT.
>5-weight go WF
if >5-weight and need to roll cast long distances, use a long-belly WF line (which handles more DT-ish)
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