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Old 02-11-2005, 05:53 PM
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I have an 8' 2wt rod for bream fishing. I am looking for another all around rod for small bass and trout. What wt and length do you think would be best? I am currently looking at either an 9' 4wt or a 9'-6" 6wt. what do you think about these options and do you have any other suggestions? I am not into really expensive equipment or am I looking to go on that once in a lifetime trip. I just want to have a rod that will match most of my fishing in and around East Texas and maybe into OK for a little trout fishing now and them.
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WD:

Welcome to the forum.

I think a 5wt rod would make a great all around trout and bass rod. If you keep the bass small, a 4wt rod will work and then it would be great for bream fishing as well.

First of all, let me make this perfectly clear. As Site Administrator for this forum I feel that it is my duty to not blatantly promote my fly shop nor the products that it carries. I will only discuss these products if asked to in a post. Since you’re asking for opinions on fly rods, I’ll give you mine.

I want to point out two great rods at two great prices.

Elkhorn is an up and coming rod company that makes an excellent fly rod. They have 4wt and 5wt rods from a 2pc all the way up to a 7pc travel rod. Their most popular is the 904-4 it’s a 4wt – 4pc – 9ft rod and is more of a moderate action rod. Elkhorn also has a 5wt – 4pc – 9ft. Each rod retails for $159 and comes with a rod tube at no extra charge. There is an 8ft rod in this same line also. The 7pc 4 and 5wt rods are only $179 with a rod tube. They also come with a lifetime no-nonsense warranty. These rods are also very nice looking. You can take a look at the Elkhorn rods at http://www.thefullcreel.com/files/index.php?id=86

OK… now… ECHO also makes excellent fly rods at fantastic prices. World-renowned fly fisher Tim Rajeff developed this fine line of rods. They have a 4wt – 4pc – 8ft and a 5wt 4pc – 9ft fly rod that are a joy to cast. Now this rod is a Moderate/Fast action rod. This rod sells for only $129 and does come with a rod tube at no extra charge. They cast like the "money" rods, but don't require financial competence to purchase. They’re also very nice looking. You can take a look at them at http://www.thefullcreel.com/files/index.php?id=87

Now... my favorite fly rod of all time is the G.Loomis StreamDance GLX Presentation 4wt - 4pc. This is the sweetest casting rod I have ever cast… period! OK... perhaps I am a little bias… but I did cast that 4wt before I became a G.Loomis dealer. That is the exact rod that sold me on G.Loomis. I bought one for myself and then stocked my fly shop with them. But these are certainly higher priced rods at $615.

So take your time and compare all rods that you’re considering. Try them all out if you can. If you purchase one online make sure that you can send it back if you don’t like the way it feels and casts. We offer a 14-day test drive on all of our fly gear including fly rods. If you buy it you have two weeks to try it out before deciding to keep it. You can even fish with it before you decide. If you then decide that you don’t want to keep the rod just send it back for a complete refund including the shipping costs. Since you live in Lindale and we're in Flint, TX you can test cast our rods. Just let me know if I can help.

I’m sure you’ll find the right rod for you.

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If you'll mainly be targeting bass then I'd suggest at least 9' -6-wt rod, anything lighter would be a little light if you think you'll be catching 4 lb + bass. I have a 9' - 6/7-wt St. Croix rod that I use for bass fishing and it will handle the larger bass bugs that I like to use. Anything smaller than a 6-wt. and you'd be very limited as far as the bass flies you can cast on it. If I were to buy another rod mainly for bass fishing I personally would opt for a 9' - 8-wt rod because it would handle the larger bass flies easier and enable me to get the larger bass out of vegetation and timber quicker.

On my 6/7-wt rod I have caught 9lb, 7-15, 7-12, and a foul-hooked 7 lb bass, and my rod handled them well. If I had used a lighter rod any of those fish could have broken it.
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Yes... I agree. If bass is your main target with an occasional trout trip. A 6wt might be your best choice, especially if you're after larger bass. Myself, I mainly trout fish with only an occasional bass trip. So if I were going to choose the rod for myself then I would go with a 4 or 5. I have caught 4lb bass with 4 and 5wts and it works fine. However, as Cliff suggested, when the bass get over 4lbs you may need a little larger rod. A 6wt would likely be in order. Also, if you're going to be bass fishing with streamers and need to cover a lot of water you're probably going to want to make long casts. If that's the case a 6wt will serve you better.

Now... a 6wt is too large for fishing for trout at, say, Beaver's Bend State Park. I use a 2 or 3wt on that river. A 4wt would be fine and a 5wt would be OK. I use a 2, 3 or 4wt on 99% of the trout streams that I fish.

Ideally, two rods would be great. A 3 or 4wt for trout and a 6 or 8wt for bass. However, now we're talking twice the money. But with the price of quality rods dropping, its a little easier to afford a complete arsenal. It looks like the majority of the folks that responded to our previous rod poll owns over 5, and even over 10, fly rods. The multi-species issue is the main reason why.

Anyway... for only one rod to serve multi-purposes, you just need to decide exactly how much of what type of fishing that you'll be doing. You can find the right rod for you. Take your time and don't rush your decision.

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Thanks for the information. It always helps in making decisions when you have opions based on fact and experiance verses just making it up. I think I will look at a 8'6" 5wt for this purchase. I'm not out to catch a 9lb bass but like mose people I'll be fishing for the 1-3lb fish and maybe an occational trout trip. Thanks again for the help.

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preventing 5wt rod breakage- as long as you keep your tippet down to 3x (7lb) or smaller, you shouldn't have to worry about breaking your 5 wt rod. The tippet will snap before the rod goes.

The one exception to this rule is when landing one of these larger fish. Basically, if the fish is within three feet of you and your rod is anywhere close to vertical, you are putting all of the strain in the tip and running the risk of breaking it. Loomis actually used to put a diagram in their catalog which helped explain this, if anyone can find a link to it, please post it in a reply.

Doug, please let us know if you think the rule should be 4x/6lb instead of 3x/7lb.
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I don't use tapered leaders when bass fishing, I use straight 17 lb mono as a leader on my 6/7-wt.
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When flinging both Crawfish and Minnows?

I joke, but i'm sure the stiffness of that 17 keeps some knots out of your leader that would make it into mine. I generally fish 16lb leaders at the coast on really windy days for that reason.
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It not only keeps the knots out (for the most part) but it also enables me to horse in the larger bass and get them out of the timber, hydrilla and coonmoss and into the boat quicker. It's also a lot cheaper than tapered leaders. Since I started using soft plastics on my fly rod and can fish lily pad fields now, the 17 lb test mono allows me to pull the bass through the lily pads and into the net.
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Big Cliff,

I would suggest the 4X ... What concerns me is what WD will do when a big bass does hit his 5-weight. Even experienced fly fishers sometimes have difficulty in not rearing back in their excitement. If the bass is on, that rod is really going to be tested...

I agree with everything you said ... rod tip up is a deadly sin. Frankly, I've never understood why it's so difficult to teach folks to keep the rod tip down either during the cast or when fighting the fish. Fighting the fish side-to-side with the rod's butt is so much more efficient.

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