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Old 08-17-2009, 08:15 AM
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This might be dumb question (God knows I'm full of those) but if most, if not all, of the things I've read state that one should use the appropriate size line for the rod (5wt rod = WF5F), why does it recommend that one should utilize a head for a shooting line one, if not two sizes larger than the rod is rated?

I know that one could use one line size larger or smaller than the rod is rated for. Can anyone explain this?

Also, I've read here and most other places that a shooting line setup is usually used in SW. Has anyone ever used it for lakes or large rivers?
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First off, for some reason, we refer to them as "Shooting Head" set-ups. The "shooting line" is the skinny stuff that follows the head. Is quite necessary but doesn't get top billing.

The ideal weight of the line for a shooting head is different because the casting stroke is different. Its more of a lob than a whip and takes greater advantage of the full flex of the rod. Its main shortcoming is that the skinny running line connected to the fat head doesn't mend as well, so its not as ideal in moving water. It is however the most efficient way to cast long distances repeatedly, so its ideal for any blind casting situation.
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:35 AM
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Sorry, Cliff. My head is a little wooly after the weekend.

So, it's almost like casting a spinning outfit, right?
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Default Re: Shooting Lines

Axle, No it's still more of a fly cast- the difference being there is less false casting with a shooting head.

The shooting head is typically just 30' long, compared to 90 feet for a typical fly line. This helps explain the need to go up a line size or more typically 2 line sizes.

Fly line designations are based on the weight in grains for the first 30 feet of a fly line. But it's not uncommon to have more than 30 feet outside the tip when casting a regular fly line- at least if your trying to reach long distances where shooting heads excel. Roughly, for every additional 10' of regular fly line you have outside the tip, the equivalent weight in grains is about an "extra" line weight. So for example with a 5 weight rod, and a "regular 5 weight fly line" you'd be loading the rod with the equivalent weight in grains of a 5 weight with 30' outside the tip. a 6 weight with 40' outside the tip and a 7 weight with 50' outside the tip.

Since a shooting head is only 30 feet long going up 2 line sizes (now usually measured in equivalent grains) would be loading the rod deep into the butt as if you were casting a regular fly line with 50' outside the tip.

Here's an AFTMA's (American Fishing Tackle Association) standard for the first 30 feet of fly lines:

AFTMA Fly line weight ratings (grains)

Weight/Grains/Tolerable Range
1 60 54-66
2 80 74-86
3 100 94-106
4 120 114-126
5 140 134-146
6 160 152-168
7 185 177-193
8 210 202-218
9 240 230-250
10 280 270-290
11 330 318-342
12 380 368-392
Grains are weighed over front 30 feet of line.

So to get a shooting head for a 5 weight line you'd probably want to look for one that weighed about 185 grains.

When false casting a shooting head, just the 30 head is outside the tip-- the "shooting line" the skinny stuff Big Cliff referred to, is coiled at your feet (or in a "shooting basket", and rips out of the guides when you release the shooting head for the cast.

Shooting head set ups tend to be less accurate than regular fly lines since you can't precisely measure long distances with a lot of line out of the tip, and as Clff mentioned you can't mend the shooting line so they wouldn't be good for long distance dry fly fishing in most cases. And it can be a pain to manage the light thin shooting line, but they are great when repeated long casts are necessary swinging wets on big steelhead rivers for example, or where you might want to have several different density lines floater, intermediate, slow, fast, and extra fast sinkers. You can carry a shooting head wallet with different density heads and swap them out easily using loop to loop connections to the shooting line (rather than carrying 5 different reel or full length 90 foot fly line spools). I'd consider them 'specialty" lines in the sense that they excel for some purposes, but have less all around application. I use them occasionally fishing the surf often blind casting- a situation where you want to hit distances, cut through wind with large flies, minimize false casts and where the fish can be anywhere from as far as you can cast (or further most of the time) to at your feet (so you usually want to fish out every cast, leaving you little line outside the tip for false casting). The heavy shooting head makes it a bit easier to load the rod and fire it out there.

Hope this answers your question.

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Default Re: Shooting Lines

Hi axle27,

If you are fishing a weight forward line and you want to make a long cast you have to aireolize more line. So instead of having just 30' of line in the air you might have 40' or even 50'. So the load on the rod is more than if you are casting with 30' of line out.

Now if you are casting a shooting head, the head is about 30' and you may have 1' or 2' of running line out of the rod tip. The head is heavier to make up for not having more line out of the tip. When you cast the head you pull out the line so your 30' of line is out the tip. You then have to pull running line off of the spool and pile it ready to be pulled through the guides and out the rod tip. You have to pile the coils from the reel so the line from the guides is on the top. So all you have to do is load the rod with the shooting head and fire. As the shooting head is cast forward it will pull the running line with it.

The shooting head is a great way to make a long cast quickly.

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Thanx, guys. You are definately a class act.

I'm looking forward to next year. I've been reading various pieces concerning Shooting Heads. I might even go with the Airflo Multi-tip and just keep it as my sole line on a 7wt. It would be used for light salt and lakes/big rivers.
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Sorry, Cliff. My head is a little wooly after the weekend.

So, it's almost like casting a spinning outfit, right?
I would say its a bit more like casting a spinning outfit than regular fly casting is, but still much more like fly casting.
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