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Old 08-26-2009, 09:19 PM
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Default Buying Barbless Flies, a political movement.

I live in SF and most of the places I fish require barbless hooks, although I use them regardless. I recently searched quite a few internet fly gear outfits and was disappointed to find a very limited amount of barbless flies. With the high amount of water that requires barbless I found this a little surprising.
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To encourage better availability of barbless flies, might it be a good idea to start a campaign of letter writing, email, and whatnot to the manufacturers, distributor and perhaps even any media outlets they advertise in? It seems that a majority of us here use barbless and even those who usually don't must once in a while via regulations.
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I know it is a simple matter to either pinch or file the damn things down, but why should we have to? Not to mention, if barbless flies are available, out there and ubiquitous, people who are unaware of their upsides are bound to ask and learn.
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I don't tie my own flies YET, but when I do I will still buy a few flies now and again at the local fly shops close to where I cast, for the advice etc. I will be interested in attending a tying class some day, so if you can suggest one close to San Francisco, please do.

If anybody knows of a good online source of barbless flies, please respond.

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Old 08-26-2009, 10:38 PM
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Just do a goggle search for barbless flies, you will find a number of sources including EBay. Here is just one that offers barbless flies:
http://www.barnsleyflyco.com/50_asso...ing_flies.html

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Default Re: Buying Barbless Flies, a political movement.

Let me guess, Noiso. You must have just been caught on the Truckee by a game warden who found out that your barb was not pinched down far enough.

The main reason why shops don't sell barbless flies is because they aren't available as you figured out. There are probably three or four suppliers that fill the majority of fly orders for all the shops in the industry. According to a friend in the industry, getting these companies to change their ways would be like trying to pull your own teeth out with pliers. To be realistic, don't plan on seeing commercially made barbless flies in fly bins soon.

Only one company can make that crossover. That would be Umpqua Feather Merchants. Almost all of its flies are made with Tiemco hooks since it is the North American distributor of TMC product. Unfortunately, Tiemco is slimming down its line of barbless hooks. In fact, TMC no longer makes barbless versions of the bugger (5263) or scud (2457) hooks. Umpqua has no say on what hooks that it can get from Tiemco. So get your Craftsmen pliers out.

Targus is another supplier of flies that has the ability to source its own hooks. The last time I checked, it didn't have a barbless hook at all. I have never been a fan of Targus hooks anyways.

Other fly suppliers (Montana Fly Company, Solitude, Idylwild) source their hooks from Daiichi or Mustad. I have only seen barbless dry fly hooks available from those two companies.

I would love to see the suppliers make barbless flies, but I know it's not going to happen. For now, I'll pinch down the barbs on store bought trout flies. And I'll keep tying everything else barbless.

As for fly shops, go see the guys at Leland Outfitters in Downtown SF.

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Default Re: Buying Barbless Flies, a political movement.

why make barbless hooks when you can easily convert barbed hooks to barbless?

There is a greater market for barbed (i.e. those who want a barbed hook and those who pinch the barb down) than there are for barbless hooks.

simple economics.
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the barbs are part of the production of the hook
after the barb it cut, it's used to hold the hook while the point is sharpened
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Default Re: Buying Barbless Flies, a political movement.

Cudexter,
I agree with you. It's simply about economics.

Let me tell you something that's happening in the Sierras of California (especially the Truckee River). Game wardens check everyone's flies to see if they barbless. They will pass the fly through a cotton ball. If it snags, it is not considered barbless. One can pinch down a barb, and still have piece that may snag the cotton. Some overzealous game wardens will ticket anyone if there is the tiniest amount of snag. The fine, as I was told, is $435.

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Cudexter,
I agree with you. It's simply about economics.

Let me tell you something that's happening in the Sierras of California (especially the Truckee River). Game wardens check everyone's flies to see if they barbless. They will pass the fly through a cotton ball. If it snags, it is not considered barbless. One can pinch down a barb, and still have piece that may snag the cotton. Some overzealous game wardens will ticket anyone if there is the tiniest amount of snag. The fine, as I was told, is $435.

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Ouch!!! That is a pretty hefty fine.......sounds like CA is trying to make money any way they can.

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Just do a goggle search for barbless flies, you will find a number of sources including EBay. Here is just one that offers barbless flies:
http://www.barnsleyflyco.com/50_asso...ing_flies.html

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Default Re: Buying Barbless Flies, a political movement.

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Cudexter,
I agree with you. It's simply about economics.

Let me tell you something that's happening in the Sierras of California (especially the Truckee River). Game wardens check everyone's flies to see if they barbless. They will pass the fly through a cotton ball. If it snags, it is not considered barbless. One can pinch down a barb, and still have piece that may snag the cotton. Some overzealous game wardens will ticket anyone if there is the tiniest amount of snag. The fine, as I was told, is $435.

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That is a problem with the game wardens... not the hook makers.

Game wardens should ticket a clearly unpinched barb. If effort was made to pinch, then game warden should show the owner a better technique to pinching the barb.

Education is more valuable to the GW in the long run than this month's ticket quota.
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Default Re: Buying Barbless Flies, a political movement.

Thanks for the responses and great info.
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Fortunately my fly fishing guru and good friend of 25 years warned me of the cotton test. He instructed me to test my flies in my wool fly patch before using them. Good advice, I'd rather spend $435 on gear. Although I have never had the pleasure of running into one of our fine Fish and Game types, we do a lot of our fishing in the barbless only zones. I have taken to filing down the barbs. It takes longer, but works much better for the cotton test.

The reasons why I think barbless should be readily available? It wastes my time to pinch or file a hook so that it doesn't catch in cotton and if barbless were readily available more people would use them - hopefully. I realize this is a matter of contention, and don't really want to get into that on this thread as it has been covered extensively in previous threads. Bottom line, I have selfish reasons of convenience.

California is certainly broke. You shoulda seen the army of Highway Patrol on our trip to the Upper Sac last weekend! Watch that speedometer people.

Before posting this thread I did a Google search and got the same results. Not wanting to buy an assortment of 50, I went to the Umpqua site and found a good list of barbless flies. I then went to their dealers page and searched Cabela's, LL Bean, etc. with the word barbless. Slim Pickin's. Slim to none.

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Here is the biggest selection I could find online:
peremarquetteonline.com


Perhaps a non-profit company would be in order. Get a big pile of capital, buy a sh*t ton of barbless hooks and feathers, ship them off to a developing nation to have flies tied. Keep the price down and help out a struggling economy in the underdeveloped sections of the world at the same time. Don't look at me, I am much too lazy to undergo this type of venture!

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