Originally Posted by FISHN50
Is it possible they were going after the GRHE & since the CPJ was a few inches away from it they ended up getting hooked on the CPJ outside the mouth. When I rig a 2 nymph rig I'll try to use a stiffer leader for the outside fly. I'll tie on a short length of 4X to 5 or 6X, make a Surgeons knot ,leaving the tag end of the heavier leader about 4-6" long & tie the top fly to that & the trailing fly to the 5-6X. Another way is to tie the top fly on to the tippet normally & then tie the dropper to the bend of the hook or if the fly is large enough you can tie another dropper to the hook eye. Either way works for me but occasionally I'll foul hook a fish but in the fins or back but not the head, mouth or eye.
I'm not visualizing this very well. Let me try to explain what I think you are saying here.
tie 4x to the existing tippet with a surgeons knot tie the fly to this about 6 inches from the existing tippet. then tie on your point fly (the one on the end of the tippet). How far down the tippet do you tie in the 4x?
I tried tying to the bend of the hook, and this worked ok, but I think I am doing something wrong because I lost the point fly a couple times with fish on. I tried this with a uni knot, and an improved clinch knot. broke of fish on both, but the whole tippet was gone where I had tied it on the bend, no trace of the tippet.
So I thought that by tying the upper fly to the tag end of the tippet knot near the furled leader I could avoid having the fly slip off the hook bend. This worked as I landed several fish, all on the CJ, not one on the GRHE which makes me think they were ignoring the GRHE. When you fish double rigs, and all your fish are on the upper fly (the CJ in this example) do you then change over to a CJ on the point fly as well? Do you want the heavier fly as the upper fly or the point fly (fly on the end).
Now, I typically roll cast nymphs, so I am not sure it makes a ton of difference.
I am considering hooking up one of my Foam Caddis as an indicator and a CJ as the point fly, or, maybe using a small thingamabobber with a october caddis and a CJ. Just want to make sure I understand the setup correctly, which would be put the heavy fly on the point (end of the line)