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Old 05-02-2011, 10:16 AM
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Default Some confusion about No Name (Bristol) knot connection to shock tippet?

I'm making up biminis (20# fluoro, not a class bimini, nor a double bimini) to which I will attach 50-60# fluoro for tarpon. The double loop of the bimini with be looped into the main leader's end loop. As I will have a single strand of 20# fluoro to attach to the shock tippet, I would image that an Albright or a Slim Beauty or a No Name or a Bristol knot would do?

1. With any of these connections, does one have to double the single line from the bimini, or would just using the single line suffice? If there is a difference, has it been tested (proven)?

2. The No Name and the Bristol knots are said to be the same, yet I've seen it tied three different ways (a and b, below, are most confusing as one goes over and the other goes under the doubled leader):

a. Under the loop, wrap down and then through the loop(http://www.igfa.org/About/Bristol-Kn...-Tutorial.aspx)
b. Over the loop, wrap down and the through the loop (
c. Start through the loop and back through a loop formed with the wrap - like a blood knot. (Fishing Knots
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It's hard to tell what you're looking at as the links are broken on A and B
I believe this was A and is the best option as it seems it will tighten with the least effort and so is less likely to slip.
Without trying all three I would also add that when it's a choice on the "finish" of a knot like that, the best is often the one where the standing ends exits the knot the straightest, with no bend. The Slim Beauty is such a knot (the Albright is not) but IMO is harder to tie.
Choose the knot that's easiest for you to get right and that's the one that will work the best

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Default Re: Some confusion about No Name (Bristol) knot connection to shock tippet?

Here's the url for the other way to make knot:
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As you can see, the shock tippet doesn't go through the loop in the leader, but rather goes through a loop made between the leader and the shock (like in making a blood knot)
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Yeah, I looked at that one.
IMO, that way would be more difficult to snug down tight, but you'd have to try it to see how it works for you

That's the thing about knots, you could be tying a knot that Mark and Lefty say is 100%, but if you aren't able to get it right under pressure, then it's not as good as an 85% knot that you can tie right every time
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Default Re: Some confusion about No Name (Bristol) knot connection to shock tippet?

You are right, the simpler way of tying the no name/bristol, would be the way to go.
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On the No-Name, the Bristol, the Yucatan, the Improved No-Name, the Improved Bristol, etc. With so many knots and variations out there it pays to focus on technique and principles. Pick one of the good knots and for me that is the Slim Beauty, learn it, practice it and go with it for the applications where it's called for. I always lube with lip balm, and then follow a couple principles. Twice through is better than once in most cases (speaking of Uni-knots and hook eyes), more wraps give insurance up to a point and, yes, using a double line increases the break stength of the knot in most cases. I've also found that in a pinch the difference between tying a Bimini to get that double line can be dispensed with and you can just double the line, or use a twice through (surgeons) standard loop. For instance tying the blood knot to make leaders, I often double the smaller piece of leader, especially when trying to match diameters and I don't use any knot to get the doubling but rather just fold it over and go. You are going from a 20 lb test to a minimum 40 and more likely 60 lb test line so take your pick and practice. I suspect a doubled line, blood knot, aka the Stu Apte Improved Blood Knot will give you a break strength between 90-115% of the stated break strength of the 20 lb test. Measure the 20 lb test leaders actual break strength and it's likely upwards of 25 lb test then tie your knot of choice and measure again. I always use lip balm on larger diameter lines as saliva just isn't slick enough to seat heavy material firmly. Were it I, given your conditions, I'd likely tie the slim beauty with a doubled line doing some at home in prep, but on the water go to the Stu Apte Improved Blood as it's a tad easier. In both cases I feel the strength of the knots would be close to if not over 100%.
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