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Old 04-17-2010, 08:20 AM
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Default Weight of unlabeled rod?

How can you determine the proper line, reel weight for an old rod that is not labeled nor can you check history on maker. In this case it is a bamboo rod made custom for someone many years ago but would be nice to know for others that labels have worn off? Action is pretty easy to determine with a test but proper weight?

Trail and era is not an option---any thoughts?
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Old 04-17-2010, 08:30 AM
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6 weights were pretty common back when, so that'd be my guess. If it has
a hefty reel seat (or even a little fighting butt), it's probably an 8wt. If it's
7' 6" or shorter, it's a 6wt, but a longer rod could be a 6wt or 8wt. 8' rods
were common, and could be either 6 or 8. Orvis made a 4 1/8 oz 8' rod that
was a 6wt, and an 8' 4 3/8oz rod that was an 8wt.

You can google "The Classic Rod Fourm" for more help. A picture would be
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Merlin: I agree with what Frank has advised. One option would be to take the rod into your local fly shop and let them take a first hand look at the rod and make recommendations for you. They might even have a line that they would let you try casting the rod with so you could get the feel of how it casts.

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Default Re: Weight of unlabeled rod?

Another possible option is to try the Common Cents system for measuring it. If you don't want to read the whole shebang from the link, the basic process is:

Secure the rod parallel to the floor. Hang a baggie from the tip top with a bent paper clip. Measure distance from floor to rod tip. Add pennies to the bag until the tip is closer to the floor by 1/3 of the rod length. Consult chart for weight rating on page 8.

That should get you pretty close. You can get a bit closer by reading and applying some tweaks described on page 7-11.

I'm not, btw, advocating CC as a perfectly accurate way of measuring a rod. IMO the systems has some issues. But for your case, it's about the only way to get anything beyond a guess (except for trial and error.)
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Default Re: Weight of unlabeled rod?

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Another possible option is to try the Common Cents system for measuring it. If you don't want to read the whole shebang from the link, the basic process is:

Secure the rod parallel to the floor. Hang a baggie from the tip top with a bent paper clip. Measure distance from floor to rod tip. Add pennies to the bag until the tip is closer to the floor by 1/3 of the rod length. Consult chart for weight rating on page 8.

That should get you pretty close. You can get a bit closer by reading and applying some tweaks described on page 7-11.

I'm not, btw, advocating CC as a perfectly accurate way of measuring a rod. IMO the systems has some issues. But for your case, it's about the only way to get anything beyond a guess (except for trial and error.)
I like that! not easy but puts me in the ballpark!

For others interested although my question was general this rod hex in shape, total length 8' 6 ", three pieces or all equal length (no choping) and has an old world Kalumazoo Tackle Co, No 1684 on it. I have done my homework is searching the reel but might date the time of the rod. In ink on the rod is "JW French By R.A." This means nothing to me but suggests it was a newbee making this rod for a friend or-----?
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Default Re: Weight of unlabeled rod?

I hope Frank Whiton doesn't mind me posting this link, but it is a specialty type forum: The Classic Fly Rod Forum - Message Board Yuku Armed with the information you've given in your last post, you stand a very good chance
of getting an answer on the bamboo rod forum.
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Merlin,
Just take a paper clip and bend it into an S. Get a small plastic bag. Trap the handle down with a weight like a sand bag, on top of something high enough for this. Micro wave top works. The rod needs to be parallel to the floor. hang the bag off the rod tip with the paper clip. Divide the length of the rod by 3. Put pennies, preferably newer ones, into the bag till you have made the tip closer to the floor by 1/3 the length of the rod. e.g. if the rod is 9' put pennies in till it is 3' closer to the floor than with the empty bag. Count the pennies and tell me how many it was and I'll tell you what weight it is.
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Here is the conversion chart. The first two digits are the number of cents. The second three digits are the line weight to two decimal places.






Conversion of Cents to Effective Rod Number
(ERN)
Cents ERN
10 0.61
11 0.70
12 0.79
13 0.89
14 0.98
15 1.12
16 1.28
17 1.44
18 1.60
19 1.77
20 1.92
21 2.08
22 2.23
23 2.38
24 2.53
25 2.67
26 2.82
27 2.97
Cents ERN
28 3.12
29 3.27
30 3.42
31 3.57
32 3.72
33 3.86
34 4.01
35 4.16
36 4.31
37 4.46
38 4.60
39 4.75
40 4.90
41 5.05
42 5.20
43 5.35
44 5.50
45 5.65
Cents ERN
46 5.79
47 5.94
48 6.08
49 6.22
50 6.35
51 6.49
52 6.62
53 6.76
54 6.89
55 7.03
56 7.15
57 7.28
58 7.40
59 7.53
60 7.65
61 7.77
62 7.90
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Default Re: Weight of unlabeled rod?

My Bamboo rod my daughter gave me is a 5.05 wt......yee haw...thanks I am going to label it, now.
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Default Re: Weight of unlabeled rod?

Just FYI, it's pretty common for the factory rating on rods to differ from the CC rating. Most commonly it seems that the CC rating is heavier than the factory rating, but sometimes it's the other way. So if the CC rating is 5.05, the rod may have originally been sold as a 4, 5, or 6. Experimentation is still the best way to determine what lines fishes best on the rod.
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