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I left 3 fish in the river yesterday with fly and tippet still in their jaws due to bad tippet, and 2 were time consuming streamers to make. Yes, I have read about folks getting a bad spool of tippet, but as I am a noob to this sport my first thoughts were to blame myself and not the equipment. Another noob mistake...lol

I was using Rio flouracarbon plus 5x, the odd thing is I was getting down to the last of the spool when the line went bad. It's not old either, at least not to me. I was about to buy a big spool of the Rio but now I am a little nervous about doing that.

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I left 3 fish in the river yesterday with fly and tippet still in their jaws due to bad tippet, and 2 were time consuming streamers to make. Yes, I have read about folks getting a bad spool of tippet, but as I am a noob to this sport my first thoughts were to blame myself and not the equipment. Another noob mistake...lol

I was using Rio flouracarbon plus 5x, the odd thing is I was getting down to the last of the spool when the line went bad. It's not old either, at least not to me. I was about to buy a big spool of the Rio but now I am a little nervous about doing that.

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I've had some bad experience recently with Rio Powerflex 3X tippet as well; lost 3 large salmon right at the hook on one and at the surgeon knot on the other two.
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Default Re: Bad Tippet

Tow things that come to mind; are you guys wetting the knots before drawing them tight and the size & strength of the leader material in question is suspect. I amusing a Spool of RIO Fluoroflex purchased at least 5 years ago to fish for trout at this time. It is 2X or 8 pound test. I test the knots well prior to tossing a fly in the river and the leader holds the fish. I would never go under the 2X for streamer fishing. I fish streamers hoping to fool larger fish, if things go right I could have a 15 pound fish grab my fly and even 8 pound is cutting it close when you think on the scale of 'fish of a lifetime', so get heavy brother.

Now about the salmon; I don't know which species you are after but if you mean to land kings I would never go below a level 15 pound Maxima leader or a 15# tippet. I have landed somewhere in the vicinity of 30 - 40 cohos in the past 2 weeks while fishing for trout on that 2X but I handled them as if I were fishing with an 8 pound leader. If I am targeting fresh run coho I use the same 15 pound line as my knot on the fly.
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The spool I bought is a guide spool with 110 yds on it but I think I'll just use it for trout from now on. It's supposed to be 8.2 lb test but doesn't hold like the 8lb maxima. I ran out of maxima and couldn't find any around town so took a chance on this spool. I always wet the knots before tightening and test them with a steady pull so I don't think I'm to blame other than using too fine a tippet
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Default Re: Bad Tippet

Maxima is always bigger than stated diameter wise and strength unless you buy the Maxima that's rated for tippet class. I went to lip balm for tightening a long time ago and with the SPF I suppose it aids in keeping the knots strong in the sun. I've used Rio for a long time now as my primary leader material and no bad experiences yet. (15 yrs) Before that I used Maxima for most from 1977 through around 1995 and it works fine given the above.
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Yep, I am a serious slobber knotter. I test the knots as well and believe in my case there must be a bad recipe, for I am breaking at the moment of hook set. Twice it broke at the surgeons loop where I tie to leader and both times the knot was left on the leader, breaking within 1/16th inch of the surgeons loop. Odd because I am not a hard hook setter?

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Were you tying flouro onto a mono leader? If so consider that flouro is usually tougher than mono and can tend to cut it. Making the issue even more troubling is that mono absorbs water and can swell in comparison to flouro making it even more prone to being cut by flouro.
If you're tying flouro to flouro I have no suggestions that haven't been stated already.
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I'm with Ard on this one....go heavier, atleast 12#. I use a 4-6' length of 15# P-Line for chucking meat.
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Thanks Ard. I did not know that fluoro did not absorb water. Although I don't mix the two anyhow.

Bad runs of line do happen ocassionally. There was a bad batch of vanish 80 lb fluoro on the market three or four years ago which applied to three different spools purchased at two different stores that I know of personally. It would split on a bias about 1/2" long, between the knots. My buddy could snap it with his bare hands without a knot being tied. All the Seaguar locally available had been bought up in that pound test by then. We went back to mono for a while.

That's the only faulty material I've ever run across that wasn't just rotten from age or abraided.

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Sounds like you might have some mono that has reached the end of its shelf lilfe. UV is not friend to that stuff, so store it wisely...
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