Originally Posted by jaybo41
I can't speak to the species, I am not good when it comes to the specifc species ID. I tend to follow the rule of 3. Size, Shape & Color when "matching" a hatch, though I can usually do OK to ID the general type of bug.
Thank for the video. I actually have tied/used a few of these when they first popped up in an issue of Fly Fisherman a few years ago. It's a nice generic pattern, and I caught trout on it, but not enough to motivate me to re-stock them as I lost them over time.
I tend to agree with Rip Tide though regarding dry flies during a caddis hatch… more times than not it is not the way to go.
Originally Posted by Rip Tide
My "home" river is a caddis stream and I never
fish a dry fly during a hatch when the trout are breaching like that. Those fish are actively chasing fast swimming emergers and that's what they expect to see.
Using the appropriate soft hackle, I cast down and across, targeting each individual rising fish, ....then give them a Leisenring lift right in their face
They can't help themselves
I agree with all
of this, and soft hackles are my weapons of choice almost all the time. They didn't yield the results this time around for me however so that's why I brought it to the forum.
Originally Posted by socorrofly
In northern NM and southern CO about a size 18, small with deer or elk, any natural color and dubbed body to match. A nice seat on the fly, about halfway in the drink so they can eyeball it real good. Anticipate over the risers and early on the set. Sometimes during a hatch, the fish are really clobbering emergers just below the surface, look for a small dimple in the water. Kinda subtle and at the end of your float, mend with a tug. Most have been following the fly and can't resist the change of pace.
Hope some of this is useful.
I didn't drop down further than a #16 – might have been a mistake on my part. I like the idea of imparting some action on a semi-dry fly… that I did do (resulted in a few misses).
Originally Posted by watson
It is my opinion, that while the caddis and spotted sedge are different species they are all in all one in the same as far as we as anglers need to know.
And while this forum would be the first place for me to be corrected it is my impression that we here in the west call them caddis and back east they call them sedges, (kinda sorta but not always)??
any truth to that guys?
I think the term "sedge" dates back to the "north country" across the pond… caddisflies were labeled as sedges in northern England… same generic term, but both the same. The "Spotted" sedge is specific to the most common, summer Hydropsyche
species… that's why I included it here. Although the species I ran into Sunday had lighter wings than the ones I remember from back east... almost like a Grannom.
Originally Posted by watson
Anyways it is my opinion that you need to give a few more caddis patterns a try. Soft hackles, emergers and Dries ect. and from the sounds of it what Jay posted wouldn't be a bad idea and something like the X caddis wouldn't hurt either. While some may be feeding on adults others may be feeding on emergers and so on, its constantly changing.
To only try two flies and wonder why you didn't get the action you were looking for IMO that is where your problem starts and ends.
Take up 3 or 4 more patterns including the ones you already used and swap them out throughout the hatch, I would like to hear how that works for ya.
Here is what was (is) hanging off of my drying patch from Sunday;
-Hare's Ear soft hackle = nothing
-Partridge & Yellow soft hackle = nothing
-Partridge & Olive soft hackle = nothing
-Partridge & Orange soft hackle = nothing
- Diving Caddis soft hackle = 7 hook-ups
-Syl's Midge (partridge & herl) = nothing
-Tan EH Caddis = numerous blow-ups with virtually no hook-ups
-Green EH Caddis = nothing
-tan & brown GLF Sparkle Emerger = a few near misses
-brown & gray GLF Sparkle Emerger = 1 miss
-Nymph, simple pheasant-tail = 1 fish (prior to the hatch)
-Nymph, BH Prince = 1 fish (prior to the hatch)
-Peacock Bugger = nothing
I like the looks of that Tabou Emerger… might have to hit the bench.
This all really good stuff here guys... good therapy.
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Originally Posted by wt bash
Sometimes when there is that much feeding going on your imitation gets lost among all the naturals. I've never had good luck during a hot and heavy hatch, there are too many of the real things to chose from.
This could have been a major issue.
It was quite a blizzard... probably missed my window to score heavy right before the hatch got cranked up.