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flysean 11-17-2012 10:45 AM

copper john
 
i am tying a copper john and i have several sizes of wire and i am wondering what size is the best for a size 14 hook. and i have another question could i use a size 16 dry fly instead of of nymph hook when i run out of nymph hooks till i buy some more it takes about week when i order since there is no fly shop anywhere close thanks

famill00 11-17-2012 10:57 AM

Re: copper john
 
Whatever size wire you have should be fine. If all you have is really small stuff, you can build the body up with thread a bit. If all you have is a little bigger, then don't use as much thread. Dry fly hooks are going to be much lighter than nymph hooks, so if you use them, make sure to add a little more weight to the fly with some lead.

-Forrest

mcnerney 11-17-2012 11:05 AM

Re: copper john
 
Here is what Charlie Craven says, "size 12 hook use medium, size 14-16 hook use Brassie, size 18-20 hook use small". Hope that helps.

Larry

osok 11-19-2012 09:04 AM

Re: copper john
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnerney (Post 499290)
Here is what Charlie Craven says, "size 12 hook use medium, size 14-16 hook use Brassie, size 18-20 hook use small". Hope that helps.

Larry

Thanks, as I also didn't know what size wire to use and just been guessing without any knowledge as to why I choose a size.:eek:

Jimmie 11-19-2012 01:03 PM

Re: copper john
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnerney (Post 499290)
Here is what Charlie Craven says, "size 12 hook use medium, size 14-16 hook use Brassie, size 18-20 hook use small". Hope that helps.

Larry


What Larry said. Seems to come out less lumpy; better taper.

Jackster 11-19-2012 01:27 PM

Re: copper john
 
Don't be afraid to experiment and play around with different sizes and colors of wire. Sometimes it works out okay.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...er-JackWeb.jpg

comeonavs 11-19-2012 06:28 PM

Re: copper john
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackster (Post 499768)
Don't be afraid to experiment and play around with different sizes and colors of wire. Sometimes it works out okay.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y21...er-JackWeb.jpg

Jackster that looks great,

How do you get it so uniform. I really strugge if I use lead wraps under the thorax I get a really deformed body. If I dont use lead it is better but I get an oblong shape to the body from running the wire down the hook shanks.

1) what size wires did you use in this pic
2) Do you tie your copper wires in to the beadhead or at like the 75% point of the hook
3) Do you run them along the sides of the hook shank or underneath


Man I only hope mine lood 3/4 as good as yours in the future

jaybo41 11-19-2012 07:17 PM

Re: copper john
 
Jackster, wow that is a great looking fly! VERY nice tie! Two different colors of wire really adds to a nice segmented look in those CJ's and other similar flies.

Avs, I don't want to speak to how Jackster did it, but tying a fly with a wire body is the perfect time to take advantage of that rotary feature you have with your vise. I tied up some wire bodied stones a few years back and I discovered while doing so the rotary feature made it soooo easy to keep the wraps nice and tight.

cowpokey 11-19-2012 07:52 PM

Re: copper john
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnerney (Post 499290)
Here is what Charlie Craven says, "size 12 hook use medium, size 14-16 hook use Brassie, size 18-20 hook use small". Hope that helps.

Larry

Is there any general size bead:hook? I don't have a shop to walk into for comparison purposes...:(

jaybo41 11-19-2012 08:00 PM

Re: copper john
 
Here's a starting point for you. Note that there is overlap in sizes and sometimes it comes down to personal preference.

http://www.jsflyfishing.com/mas_asse...30010-0000.pdf


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