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Old 12-29-2012, 10:56 AM
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Default The right boat?

I'm trying to figure out the best boat for me. Two years ago I purchased a Native Watercraft Tegris, sort of a canoe-kayak hybrid that's ultra lightweight. I have not liked sitting at water level where I can't see what I'm casting to. Also, while incredibly steady, it has high water drag...it's slow.

I want this one-person boat to fish for Smallmouth on MN on streams as big as the upper Mississippi and as small as the Zumbro (let's say down to 10 ft. across).
I want to sit high enough to see what I'm doing and what my fly is doing. The chances of me standing up to fish with my balance are nil. I do not plan on going through class IV or V rapids. Weight is important since I will be loading and unloading it by myself. I wouldn't mind having a small electric motor on the back if it worked well and I could use the boat without it.

Any suggestions? Warnings? Experiences?
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Only thing I can recommend is a kickboat. Frameless will be the lightest and quickest moving. But it'll be slower than a kayak. I'm not sure why drag/ speed is an issue especially if you'er fishing a river. Oars and fins to manuever and you can motorize them. But you're still sitting down. Another idea might be a pram.
I have a frameless kickboat and a framed one with a casting platform. I also have no problem sitting, or using the platform.
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Hey, a local! I paddle the same waters that you do! Check out the Native Ultimate. It's a kayak/canoe hybrid, but more canoe style than kayak. You can add a Captains seat or one of the big foam cubes that they sell that go under the seat that give you another 8" or so of lift to the seat. I'm located in Winona so if you want to get a look at the Ultimate, just pm me and we can set up a time for you to view it.




Weight - A bit on the heavy side at around 70lbs. It's easy enough for me to load, but I don't know your physical limitations.

Warnings - Whatever you decide to buy, add a rudder. My biggest regret on my Ultimate is that I didn't buy one initially. I will have one before next paddle season starts though.
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Default Re: The right boat?

Not sure if it would meet your needs or not, but what about an aluminum or fiberglass river pram? I've seen quite a few in the 8 to 10 foot range. One of my neighbors has a glass Don Hill 10 footer thats pretty sweet. You could probably even rig up a casting brace on one. And allot of them will fit in the back of a pickup.


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Rogue Runner:

Thanks. I had never even heard of a "pram" before. Looks to be an interesting option. Thanks.

Wonder how that would do on a slightly rough river, compated to a Kayak sort of boat?
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I have never rowed one, but I have seen quite a few on the river. I fish the upper rogue so I dont have a basis for comparison. but it does have a several sporty spots on it. maybe someone else will chime in.
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I found this website to be very informative for me in these considerations.

Fly fishing from a kayak


and this website seemed informative also:


http://www.livestrong.com/article/15...g-information/

My primary concern, is what is the likelihood that I am going to tip over in this, on a River. I'm not worried so much about a Lake, I know lake fishing from an Aluminum Boat, but how about on the Rivers?

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I found this website to be very informative for me in these considerations.

Fly fishing from a kayak

My primary concern, is what is the likelihood that I am going to tip over in this, on a River. I'm not worried so much about a Lake, I know lake fishing from an Aluminum Boat, but how about on the Rivers?
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With all due respects to the author of the link...Fly fishing from a kayak...I could not disagree more with almost everything he wrote.
A 9 foot Sit In Yak? You don't need a yak that tracks well on a lake?
A 9 foot Sit In Yak in the Ocean?
I do realize that the article was written in 2004 I believe, so a lot has changed, but even back then I think his strategy is flawed at best and could be deadly in the ocean.
This is just my opinion, but I would not follow any of that advise.
I am no expert, but do some more research to get more opinions before deciding.
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Maybe because I've never paddled a kayak, I can't picture any advantages to having a kayak over a kickboat, especially for fly fishing. I understand they're fast, but you can't fish and really keep yourself in one spot if there's a breeze, you have to use the paddle. The advantages of a kickboat- oars, fins, and motors can be used, the frameless 'toons when topped off to the correct pressure move a lot faster than the framed ones and are more manueverable. Less 'toon in the water means less drag. And one more downside I can see compared to a kayak is it's more prone to wind, but then again, you have fins to keep you in one spot with a kickboat whereas you have to put your rod down, pick up a paddle in a kayak.
That's my observations on the main differences between the two, but again remember, I've never been on one, and I'm probably missing something.
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A good fishing kayak is plenty stable,,even to stand in if it's 30some inches are wider. I have a fishing kayak that is 36" wide and you'd have to jump out to get in the river,,you aren't gonna fall out OR tip over.
The major complaint I have is sitting too low to study structure and currents,,you 'guess fish' a lot. Wind moves you some,,so that by the time you cast and strip in,,you have lost your desired fishing angle.
A fishing kayak with a troller mounted,,,would cure lots of the wind prob once you learned how to hold your position with a troller, it's easier than driving a car. Just set it were the blades barely move,,and that will hold you,,,,or ,,something along that principle. It'd hold you least through a couple or three cast and retrieves. Not having a swivel seat will mean you DO have to twist your body some... to control the troller,,unless you can put a foot control on the kayak,,and I've never seen that done. I 'think' an angled foot rest with the foot control 'could' be done,,,umm,,,worth looking into maybe.
I'm gonna try one'a them 'pond prowler' type boats and mount a troller with foot control (Steering),,only I'm getting the Pelican Bass Raider 10E,,,the extra weight over the blow up things should stabilize you a bit more in wind. And the Pelican Bass thingy has high'er SWIVEL SEATING. And, they are super stable from all reports, lot's more than say a 12ft jon boat. High'er swivel seating for comfort but mostly to study current flow and structure, a stripping basket on the floor, troller foot control,,,,,should work really decent. And, I won't have to sell grand-kids to pay for it.

Hey, don't rule out the Nucanoe,,,you can get higher swivel seats for the Frontier 12....I'd thought about that one too. Way more capacity than a kayak, ,,well,,all the plus's and MORE of a kayak and none of the disadvantages. The Nucanoe or at least the Frontier 12 is a wee bit more expensive,,at 'appx' 1200 or so. They even have 10ft fly fisherman models,,,check the price on those too...I'm sure they'd be every bit a cheap as the kayak,,as the Frontier 12 is the most expensive one they make. Check out the videos on Nucanoe.,,paddle or troller either way on that one.

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