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Old 02-09-2013, 11:29 AM
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Tenkara outfits really aren't very well suited for landing LARGE fish. They are designed to fish delicate and precise, in exchange, they give up the brute power required to stop a large fresh fish dead in it's tracks.

Tenkara lines probably equate to slightly less than a 1wt reeled system line.

Quite frankly, they aren't designed as an end all for all environments or situations. But then again, neither is any single weight of reeled rods.
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You are right, Tenkara is a small stream/fish deal for the most part. I love my fly rods and it's my go to when doing medium to big water. But, my state like most have lots of small brushy places where this style would be a better choice. Anyway it's a great excuse to buy yet another rod and try something new! I also want to try it for panfish, looks like fun on a pile of 'gills.
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When the Samurai had to put down their swords, many took up Tenkara. Some of the moves were reminiscent of their own art and the Zen factor was there as well. Hmm
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how would a 12ft 2/3wt rod blank perform for tenkara? Just an idea....
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how would a 12ft 2/3wt rod blank perform for tenkara? Just an idea....
To answer your question - maybe sort of.

A 2/3 weight rod is going to require a heavier line than that used on most tenkara rods, that's not to say it can't be done. You can come up with a combination of rod and line that will fish, it will just cast and fish with a different feel than a rod specifically designed for that purpose.

I guess it may be time for true confessions. I started out using a $15 telescopic 12' crappie pole. It was relatively heavy and clunky, it didn't cast nearly as nice, but it did fish, and to be honest, I caught alot of fish using it. I'm guessing the crappie pole and furled line I used back then may have been vastly superior to the equipment being used by the guys who more or less started fishing this way 400 years ago. If it comes down to fishing with something less than optimal vs. not fishing at all, it's a pretty easy call.

Probably the biggest 2/3 wt blamk gotcha is the fact that fixed length lines are attached directly to the tip of the rod. That's one big reason why tenkara rods telescope, it keeps them from getting pulled apart when force is loaded at the tip end. With a regular ferruled rod, there's nothing to prevent the ferrule from coming apart and taking off with the fish.
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I've also wondered how I'd attach the line to the tip of a long graphite rod. I'm not sure I'd trust a glued tip-top. Considered somehow using wraps to help secure it or even using the wraps to secure something like a lilian to the tip.
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I've also wondered how I'd attach the line to the tip of a long graphite rod. I'm not sure I'd trust a glued tip-top. Considered somehow using wraps to help secure it or even using the wraps to secure something like a lilian to the tip.
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Good news/bad news, I have an easy answer to your direct question, here's how I rigged up my crappie rod, and it worked great. I just permanently lashed a short section of furled leader that terminated in a loop directly on the tip of the rod
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the bad news, there are a couple other things to think about that might not be so easy. I'd be more concerned about securing the connection at the ferrule. That is a connection that by design, is made to come apart when pulled on from both ends. I guess you could just secure it with some tape. However fixing that problem exacerbates another.

There are very few rules that need to be strictly observed when fishing with a fixed-length line system. Actually only one comes to mind -

When freeing a snag, NEVER EVER reef back on the rod and pull until something snaps.

The reason being, the something that snaps may be the line, may be the rod. Although it's a minor pain in the neck, with the tenkara rod you collapse the whole thing, grab the line directly and pull. It probably takes 30 seconds or so. With a long one or two piece rod, it's not going to be so quick or easy, especially if one has decided to use tape to secure the ferrule. Even then, it's not the end of the world, you just have to make sure you point the rod directly in line with the snag and walk it backwards until the line snaps. Of course, this is liable to put alot of stress on the attachment parts of the rod we've just discussed.
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I have a spotless 12ft 3 weight (IM6) that I'd be glad to sell you ($90 CONUS) if you want to give it try. Author and competitive angler, Jeremy Lucas, is working a lot with this set up. However, it is just so much heavier in the hand then a tenkara rod, that I quickly gave up on it. It is a great czech nymph rod, but Tenkara is much more versatile IMO.

Tenkara is primarily an excellent small stream rod and larger stream riffle/run rod especially for the backpacker. I find it much easier to fish tight streams with tenkara than with my 7'6" 3 weight. You definitely need to practice some stealth in crystal clear water and pools, since your reach is limited. It is also an excellent bluegill rod on farm ponds and structure.

In the end it is the light weight and simplicity that appeals to me, and I end up fishing more with less fussing. Yesterday for instance, while my buddy was getting his backpack together at the truck, I pulled out my fully rigged Ayu rod and fished a run for 5 minutes. I wouldn't have even been rigged with a western rod in that time.
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That last post pushed me over the edge. I'm turning to the dark side and am just going to purchase a rod, ill end up having a better experience and since i'm a very frequent backpacker it'll fit my lifestyle better. Im ending my quest for a backup 4wt and will just put the money into a tenkara rod.

I'm liking the Fountainhead stonefly because of its price. Should i drop the extra cash on a Tenkara USA rod?

or even better try to find on used? (any takers?)

would the 11ft 5:5 be a good option? I appreciate a more delicate soft feel. Or should i play in the middle and go for the 12 6:4?
I'm not really a big water person. Thanks
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I've fished the Caddis 360 and they are nice. They have a little more fiberglass in them, so they tend to be a tad heavier. But if you want a good buy, I think they are hard to beat.

My favorite rod, especially if you like a soft feel, is the Iwana 11. I fish a lot of small streams though and it is sweet. It is Misako's current favorite too. My all rounder on the other hand is the 5:5 Ayu. Its 13 foot length is better for ponds, more open western streams, yet can still be used on most small streams. You might need to hurry on the Ayu, as they were recently "updated" to a 6:4 and so the 5:5 stock will be dwindling from distributer. I have the original 6:4 Ayu, but prefer the feel of the 5:5.

There are several used rods at tenkara bum (Used Tenkara Rods)
and Chris takes no commission. The 12 foot Iwanas might be a good deal for instance. I would not be afraid of a used rod, since parts for Tenkara USA rods are cheap and readily available.
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