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Old 02-08-2013, 09:39 AM
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>400 yards of 50 pound gelspun backing<

I'm sure you will need it hooking one of those bruisers
If the guide lets the fish run that much line off when we will only be in a maximum of 5-6 feet of water, before he starts to chase it, he may have to swim a bit!
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If the guide lets the fish run that much line off when we will only be in a maximum of 5-6 feet of water, before he starts to chase it, he may have to swim a bit!
I wouldn't like to be swimming close to anyone of those Gator Gar

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Old 02-08-2013, 12:41 PM
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I wasn't sure which forum to put this on, so I figured here was good enough.

Once again I am heading to Louisiana for Redfish in June. Every year (5 so far with this guide) we encounter some truely giant Alligator Gar. I am talking 6 to 7 feet long, and maybe 200-300 pounds. They lay like logs, and explode when we get near (like two feet away!). During the last phone conversation I had with him, he asked if I'd like to try for one of the 'Gator Gar. Heck, yeah!

I have outfitted a 16wt TFO Bluewater rod with an Islander AR 4.5 reel, a Rio 600 grain floating Leviathan line, and 400 yards of 50 pound gelspun backing. I figured our Tarpon leaders with their Bimini twist, and 40 pound leader would be fine, but instead of the 100 pound bite tippet, I am going to use red steelon wire to the fly. And there is the question? The fly?

Any suggestions? This will be new for the guide too. He's caught them on bait, but not on a fly rig. Suggestions please!
I have caught them down there on 10 weights and a Redfish taper with the same Clouser's I use for Redfish... Obviously a steel leader is a must...

To me a 16 wt is way excessive, 12 tops, but I understand if you have the 16 already and want to use it...

I also may add, you are getting way more technical than you need to, get a big game leader ending in 40 pound, add some steel leader material and go for it, unless you already have the Tarpon leaders with bimini twists then obviously they will work great, just more pricey than you really need to go with is what I am getting at... The Gar aren't going to run anything like a Tarpon does, but many will make some very great leaps into the air...

That's my input anyway...

They aren't going to take blistering runs, they will kick your arse though and are a LOT of fun, but they are built for short bursts of speed, like a Musky or Pike and long runs are not something I have ever experienced out of them.

You should drop a chum bucket and try for some sharks while you are at it. The gear you are talking would suit them just fine down there...

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They look like tanks!! I'll bet it's going to be a battle royal! From my experience with Long Nose Gars probably tough to keep on the hook! I'm 0 for 32 with them!!
Nothing like Long Nose Gar...

The mouth of an Alligator Gar is wide and more like a "normal" fish, they are very tough though, but my hooks have always stayed put just fine...

You should try rope for those Longnose Gar, we fish for them here in Michigan all the time and rope is definitely the way to go, hooks are pretty worthless when it comes to all species of Gar other than Alligator Gar...
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[QUOTE=kwb;524887]I have caught them down there on 10 weights and a Redfish taper with the same Clouser's I use for Redfish... Obviously a steel leader is a must...

To me a 16 wt is way excessive, 12 tops, but I understand if you have the 16 already and want to use it...

I also may add, you are getting way more technical than you need to, get a big game leader ending in 40 pound, add some steel leader material and go for it, unless you already have the Tarpon leaders with bimini twists then obviously they will work great, just more pricey than you really need to go with is what I am getting at... The Gar aren't going to run anything like a Tarpon does, but many will make some very great leaps into the air...

That's my input anyway...

They aren't going to take blistering runs, they will kick your arse though and are a LOT of fun, but they are built for short bursts of speed, like a Musky or Pike and long runs are not something I have ever experienced out of them.

You should drop a chum bucket and try for some sharks while you are at it. The gear you are talking would suit them just fine down there...[COLOR="Silver"]

I can't imagine moving one of those bohemoths I've seen with a 10wt! They were legitimately 6 to 7 feet long and WIDE across the back. Blaine extimated their weight at somewhere near 250lbs!

No sharks there, the water is too shallow and fresh. Too far from the coast too, although I guess some species can survive in freshwater, like the Bull sharks.
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I have caught them down there on 10 weights and a Redfish taper with the same Clouser's I use for Redfish... Obviously a steel leader is a must...

To me a 16 wt is way excessive, 12 tops, but I understand if you have the 16 already and want to use it...

I also may add, you are getting way more technical than you need to, get a big game leader ending in 40 pound, add some steel leader material and go for it, unless you already have the Tarpon leaders with bimini twists then obviously they will work great, just more pricey than you really need to go with is what I am getting at... The Gar aren't going to run anything like a Tarpon does, but many will make some very great leaps into the air...

That's my input anyway...

They aren't going to take blistering runs, they will kick your arse though and are a LOT of fun, but they are built for short bursts of speed, like a Musky or Pike and long runs are not something I have ever experienced out of them.

You should drop a chum bucket and try for some sharks while you are at it. The gear you are talking would suit them just fine down there...[COLOR="Silver"]

I can't imagine moving one of those bohemoths I've seen with a 10wt! They were legitimately 6 to 7 feet long and WIDE across the back. Blaine extimated their weight at somewhere near 250lbs!

No sharks there, the water is too shallow and fresh. Too far from the coast too, although I guess some species can survive in freshwater, like the Bull sharks.
There are sharks close to Cocodrie "within a reasonable distance to take a skiff", I assure you.

I see Lemon and Bull Sharks down there all the time and have caught them by chumming, perhaps some species will not come in that far, but those two will and I know you would have fun with them and your 16 wt! I did it a couple times, too long to be attached to one fish to be my type of thing, but if you want a challenge, it will offer you one.

When I hooked the Gar on a 10 weight it was because it was all I had in the boat "we were fishing for Reds", but it wasn't all that bad, they really aren't as powerful as you are likely thinking, their explosiveness is short lived and while they are going crazy initially, doesn't matter what rod you have, your gonna have to fight them off the reel anyway. I would never want more than a 12 wt for them, but I have no doubt you will have fun with your 16 wt as well. That's just my personal preference, obviously I could care less what you use and suggest you go with what feels right to you.

Take some Musky flies, gonna have strong enough hooks and work well

The biggest pain about those fish, too big to even think about taking a "hero shot" with them, get em close to the boat and pop the hook or cut the leader close to the hook. Definitely keep your hands away from their mouth, can't imagine being caught in their grip!

I know the area you are fishing extremely well, not just pulling this stuff out of my arse

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Old 02-08-2013, 01:42 PM
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I though I'd offer some input: 1) Take photos of them, close-ups. and 2) Don't lip 'em!

I hope you have a great time fishing for them!


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