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Old 02-24-2013, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: Is it Ethical to Clear Deadfalls Over Holes?

When the tree fell, nature did not care what direction it did. If the wind had been blowing the opposite direction we would not even be having this thread. The whole idea you can't move anything is rubbish. That kind of thinking leads to forest fires that burn out of control and homes that go with it. We are talking about a single tree and what direction it landed. If you can move, go for it.
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I would leave it. Challenges are part of fishing. That is not only an obstacle to you, but it is protection for the fish from predatory birds.
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When the tree fell, nature did not care what direction it did. If the wind had been blowing the opposite direction we would not even be having this thread. The whole idea you can't move anything is rubbish. That kind of thinking leads to forest fires that burn out of control and homes that go with it. We are talking about a single tree and what direction it landed. If you can move, go for it.
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Default Re: Is it Ethical to Clear Deadfalls Over Holes?

Easy to ride someone's coat-tails- especially when they have the clout that DDan does on these boards, but I couldn't agree more.

The dead fall is an arbitrary occurrence-- not some cosmological or teleological plan.

I say if it provides habitat, leave it--if it clutters move it.
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A thought for your (Thread) consideration.

Mom Nature has been doing Her thing for something like 13 to 14.5 BILLION YEARS. Before we screwed it up there were millions of fish running in our rivers.

Where are we now?

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Default Re: Is it Ethical to Clear Deadfalls Over Holes?

food for thought: if you had not fished this area before (with good results) , would you still be asking yourself the same question?
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Default Re: Is it Ethical to Clear Deadfalls Over Holes?

Unethical? I don't think so, really depends on how you want to fish. From what I saw in the first picture it looked like a challenge to get a fly under, but not impossible. Perhaps I didn't get a clear sense from the picture but I'd look at it as a challenge. Try different casts and angles, lose a bunch of flies. Someday, if I pulled a fish out it would feel great.
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It's debris..forest debris to be sure,,but still debris. If someone discarded a dead washing machine in your fishing hole,,you'd move it. It would be trash,,debris. So if nature clogs my fishing hole,,,,,,,,I'm moving it. If the grand scheme of life doesn't wish their dead tree messed with,,they can fall it the other direction next time.

It's a dead stick in your fishing hole, not exactly the Burning Bush presented before Moses.
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You say "your fishing hole" like is is entitled to fish it. Fae makes a great point, man is the eason our earth is as screwed up as it is. Sure moving a downed limb isn't going to end the world, but it wont help anything either.

To feel entitled to fishing a pool with no concern for the fish having protection is just selfish.
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I ran into an ethical dilemma fishing today. I drove out to one of my favorite holes. I only had an hour to fish so I specifically targeted one hole that I've had a lot of success with in the past. Unfortunately, a dead fall tree was overhanging the best part of the hole, making it very difficult to fish.

I was tempted to push over the dead tree so that it would not be in the way next time. This is on National Forest land, if that matters. So, where does "Leave no Trace" intersect improving the fishability of a stream?

I wound up not altering the hole, because I value exploring natural environments and prefer that over altered environments. I wouldn't fault anyone for making the opposite choice, though. A good friend of mine carries a saw for that express purchase when he fishes.

I'm curious to hear opinions on this.

from looking at the pic, where is this deadfall in the way. I could fish this hole with no problems...if you can not cast from where camera is and hit all the water you need to go for lessons...sorry i don't see a problem..
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