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Old 04-25-2013, 05:39 PM
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Most likely caused by tailing loops. Watch some casting videos and see if you can figure out what you are doing wrong.

It may just be that you are used to the faster 6wt and forget to adjust your cast for the softer 2wt.
Agree here, but would add just one extra thought: Leaders (tippet) is too light for the fluff you're chucking? Not enough 'Mass in the xxx' next to the fly. The point of tapered leaders to transfer the 'cast energy' from the rod, to the line, to the leader (which is getting smaller by the inch) to the fly. In that last bit of energy transition, you can hit a point of no return. Just isn't enough there to do the job?
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Default Re: Ever get one of those knots.....

I find I have the same problem from time to time. Now "where's those clippers" End of problem.

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Default Re: Ever get one of those knots.....

I often wonder why I can't tie a fly on that will hold as well as some of the knots I get in my leader. Why just yesterday that would have been two more trout I would have caught.
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Default Re: Ever get one of those knots.....

Maybe you should just thread the eye of the hook then waive the line in the air a few times. You're bound to get a nice tight fly knot.
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Agree here, but would add just one extra thought: Leaders (tippet) is too light for the fluff you're chucking? Not enough 'Mass in the xxx' next to the fly. The point of tapered leaders to transfer the 'cast energy' from the rod, to the line, to the leader (which is getting smaller by the inch) to the fly. In that last bit of energy transition, you can hit a point of no return. Just isn't enough there to do the job?
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Great point! Just the other day, I was fishing my 8wt and was getting bad tailing loops. First thought is what the heck am I doing wrong. Then I said duh, my tippet is probably too long. For saltwater I sometimes use 50lb butt, 30lb mid and 20lb tippet which turns over even large flies no problem. Sometimes I will just use a little 30lb as the butt and then 20lb tippet and it works fine, but not if the tippet is too long. When the tippet is long and "limp" it doesn't transfer the energy like the stiff butt does so it will collapse and cause a tailing loop.

Thanks for adding that Fred!
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I just think it has to do with my leader/tippet lengths or something like that.
This can happen if your tippet size and fly are mis-matched. For example, if you're trying to cast size 8-10 flies w/ 6X tippet (or too long a tippet) you will tie some knots while casting.

Matching the fly to tippet is often over-looked.
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Most likely caused by tailing loops. Watch some casting videos and see if you can figure out what you are doing wrong.

It may just be that you are used to the faster 6wt and forget to adjust your cast for the softer 2wt.
Wood river beat me to it. Is this happening on more than one rod? Post a video of your cast or just make one and watch it yourself. More than likely you or us can tell pretty fast what's going on. This will tell you what you need to correct.
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Default Re: Ever get one of those knots.....

Probably the what you guys said about mismatched tippet. Was using 5x with a size 10 foam beetle.
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