This thread is the result of some replies to a post I made to the 'What have You been Tying Today' thread.
To bring you up to speed, these are the flies, some of them.
I'm not trying to school you guys, I'm just saying something that I have not commented on here before. I know you'll understand.
And here are 2 quotes;
One from Tevis: [skulpin heads... I like the design, and the flies they make. But every time i have tried to fish one it gets snagged on the bottom with quickness. Those things are like anchors! Fast water only... or silty bottoms.]
And one from Larry: [Ard: I hope you have cast and fished some of those. I tied up a few and they are scary to cast, I have no control of them in the air and quit using them because I was afraid of bodily injury. Maybe it is different with a two handed rod?]
I started to answer on the thread but then thought to make this General Discussion. Here goes;
I have been avoiding weight for years now Larry because of the things you and Tevis have mentioned. Actually my avoidance has been more of a position than the result of problems.
Some tips I can offer even before fishing these are; don't plan weighted flies for any other than fast (rainbow) water and that water should be at least 2 - 3 feet deep.
Fish a floating line and dress it prior to use. keep the rod tip up while the fly swings. These things mentioned will help eliminate the snagging problem.
Now about control while casting; Use a heavy leader butt, 25 pound maxima or heavier. Forget the sinking braided lead head in the mid section of the leader, transition to 20 pound and tip with 15 pound. Keeping the leader to 6 or 7 feet will help a great deal with having a weighted fly follow closely with the fly line while casting.
With a single hand rod, keep it to a 'water load' when you pick up and make one back cast then deliver the fly. Quarter the weighted flies down and across, a bit of rotation at the hip will assure the redirect of the payload. This should work well with the single back cast. You definitely want to use an 'elliptical' casting stroke with weight.
On to 2 hand rods: first off, don't plan on 90' casts with any weighted fly until you are quite accustomed to the way you must change the timing of the sweep and cast stroke. The flies will be sinking at the split section that you stop the sweep. because of this you will want the line off the water at the end of the sweep and the fly skidding along at the surface. Start with short casts (nothing over 40 - 50 feet) to get the feel of how you will need to adjust in order to compensate for the fly.
Actually I not sure I've ever cast a weighted fly over 50 - 60 feet even with a 2 hand rod. The weighted fly is for a specific situation; depth and current speed. This (here in Alaska) is the place you will find a large rainbow or steelhead. They won't be in a pool, they won't be over silt, they will be in water that will defy logic and they are quite comfortable in these flows.
So I have said all of this not just in reply but in an effort to provide my own slant on what specific use such flies will have. If I am successful I will surely post a snap shot of some fish. I have been struggling to get my un-weighted versions of these same Sculpin patterns down to where the big ones are holding. So....because of that I am going to the dark side and I will heave some depth charges at them