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Old 10-21-2008, 08:30 PM
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Default Lightweight, short rod

I'd like some advice re: rod length. Here's what I plan to use this rod for. Small, tight streams. I'll be fishing western and central Pa in small feeders running into larger streams for brookies. New England as well, hopefully. I intend to get a 3 or 4 wt rod but am not sure as to what length would serve me best. I'm considering something in the 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 ft range. I read the FAQ re: rod length and understand the disadvantages of short rods in general. In the streams I wish to fish with this rod it seems the short rod will be helpful, maybe not. Also, I'm thinking a slower (medium or medium/fast) action rod may work better for me. I tend to cast better with slower rods when putting out less line. For those of you that have experience on these types of streams, what has worked well? Thanks for any advice on this.
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I'd like some advice re: rod length. Here's what I plan to use this rod for. Small, tight streams. I'll be fishing western and central Pa in small feeders running into larger streams for brookies. New England as well, hopefully. I intend to get a 3 or 4 wt rod but am not sure as to what length would serve me best. I'm considering something in the 6 1/2 to 7 1/2 ft range. I read the FAQ re: rod length and understand the disadvantages of short rods in general. In the streams I wish to fish with this rod it seems the short rod will be helpful, maybe not. Also, I'm thinking a slower (medium or medium/fast) action rod may work better for me. I tend to cast better with slower rods when putting out less line. For those of you that have experience on these types of streams, what has worked well? Thanks for any advice on this.
My advice, sincen you asked for it is -fiberglass. Lamiglas, Diamondglass, older Fenwicks.
Have someone build one for you to your specs- 6'6" Honey Lami or 7'er
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I recently got a killer deal on a Sage FLi 7' 3wt and I absolutely love it. It is semi fast and really shoots a line!

They are being discontinued from what I hear, so you can get them very cheap.
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I have a Cortland Brook, 8ft. 4wt. that I just love on the Sierra streams and rivers I find myself on. A friend of mine just got a Sage Fli 7'6" in a 4 wt. on closeout and he really likes that rod.
I would say the Sage is a bit faster than the Cortland.
Let us know what you decide on.
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Fiberglass rods were made for the kind of fishing you describe
They take more abuse than a graphite rod ever could and load with less line out.
I have 3 small stream glass rods. One 4'9" and two 6'6"
My current favorite is a c.1961, 6'6", Wright & McGill for a 5wt. that actually fishes better with a DT3 or a WF4
These rods are still in production under the the Eagle Claw brand.
The modern ones cast best with a 6wt line, but with the slower glass action, it will seem more like a 4wt
The Eagle Claw rods are a bargain if you'd like get one to try out
Less than $20 at many department stores or on the web
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Hi pdq 5oh,

You see there are a lot of fishers using soft/slow action rods. I don't care for them and a very slow rod is harder to cast as is a very fast rod. You can feel a lot of things going on with the slow rod but it also requires precise timing. I prefer a medium or medium fast rod. I also think you can get too short with a rod. Many small stream fishers thinks a 6' or 6'6" rod is a good choice. I don't agree with them. With small stream fishing you usually have to roll cast a lot. The short rods do not roll cast as well as a longer rod. I think you need to pick a rod length in the 7' to 7'6" length but no shorter. The soft action rod doesn't roll cast as well as a medium fast to fast action rod. I think you would be best served with a 7'6" rod with a medium or medium fast action.

It is true that these very slow/soft action rods allows you to play big fish with light leaders. But for roll casting, mending and casting in the wind I believe a medium-fast rod is the best choice. Especially if the fisher is not very experienced. It is important to apply pressure to a big trout and some people with very slow rods don't know how to do that. They end up playing fish twice as long as it should take to land them. It is true that you can apply more pressure with a short rod. But if it is so soft that it bends to the grip, it becomes harder to land the fish and you lose the advantage of a shot rod.

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I also have tried the soft rod for small streams. I didn't really like it for all the reasons Frank mentioned. I'd say 90% of my fishing is small streams.

I didn't want to spend a lot of money on a small stream rod, but I wanted to buy from a company that would stand behind their product. I ended up with a Sage Launch 7'6' 3 wt rod. I think it's a perfect small stream rod.

Here's some pics of a private stream 100 ft from where I live. I fish it everyday and it's my getaway from the worries of the world.


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This spring I was looking for a small stream rod, and I was thinking of getting something very short. A friend talked me into going with something at 7'6", and I've been happy. The extra foot of rod's never gotten in the way, either in hiking in or in casting in close quarters, but it has been useful for reaching my line over boulders, etc.
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I've been doing a lot of small stream fishing lately and I've been carrying 3 rods..all 4wts
The afore mentioned 6'6" W&M glass (med action when underlined with the 4wt line)
A 7'6" Lamiglas (a truly slow action rod)
and a 7'6" Lochmor fast action graphite

For small streams wider than 15' the 7'6" rods shine. The slow action glass being a perfect dry fly rod. The graphite rod more of an all purpose.

The narrower, headwater, brook trout streams here in the east look nothing like the stream in Pete's pictures
There's vegetation overhanging the banks so much so that sometimes it's as if you were fishing in a tunnel.
With the 6'6" glass rod I can cast sidearm while holding the rod at my hip with the reel/rod butt behind my back, essentially reducing the rod's length by a foot if necessary
And this rod will load with 2' of line out of the tip-top
If this sounds like 'trick casting' ...it should. Because that's what's needed to do the job
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