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Old 12-03-2008, 09:53 PM
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Default beginner got a good set up?

My dad's friend's church has a fly fishing group, and as a huge fisher(me not my dad, he hates fishing for some reason), my dad wanted me to get involved with the sport of fly fishing.

so i went to the flee marked down here and got a classic pole (i'm just a sucker for any vintage fishing gear!) at a random stand with an old reel as well-
rod reads - custom -- heddon -- victory(thats all thats visible
reel reads - martin 63 -- made in america (hell yeah?)
for twenty bucks

i then went to the rod and reel repair shop and bought a brand new, in case pflueger medalist with line (i think it was 4 wt)

so i go to the sportsman's warehouse out here(i know a lot of the bow guys, so i ask them who i'd need to talk to bout fly fishing and they show me their 'specialist'),and they set me up like so:

like 80 yards of backing(i think thats what he called it?)
then 6 wt
then they put on like 10 inches of 30lb (like for the coast)
then they put on trout 7 1/2 ft. 3x leader
and they said put on 18 inches of fluorocarbon tippet (7lb)

my set up is for trout(just being released in a few days here)
but is this what most of yall have?

and do you think i should ask 'santa' for a rod for Christmas?


also any tips or hints that you have, feel free to share

thanks for the help in advance!
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:15 PM
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Default Re: beginner got a good set up?

The only problem is your rod dosent say what weight it is, from the sounds of it you have bought a 4 and a 6wt line, I would find a person in the group that cast good and load both lines on reels and ask them to cast it and see what one cast bets for that rod, unless someone knows something I do not. And yes unless that rod is a bambo in good shape, I would ask santa for a new rod. And if it is a good bambo you can sell it for alot more then what you paid for it an have enough money to buy a nice outfit from a modern maker.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: beginner got a good set up?

wait i am confused now. so if I am reading right it is saying you got 3 rod/reels setups right? not just 1? you got a 4wt rod/reel/line setup and also a 6wt rod/reel/lineset up and then the vintage rod/reel? if so all these should work fine but the vintage doesn't say what weight it is. just make sure if you have a 6wt rod you want a 6wt reel and a 6 wt fly line. if you got a 4wt you want a 4wt rod , 4wt reel and a 4wt fly line. you need to match up the rod and reel and line so it casts right. sounds to me like they set it up and everything so you should be good to go. do you got any flies, indicators and splitshot? find out what there biting, get some of those flies and tie them on and go catch some trout! you will be hooked for life.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:33 PM
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Default Re: beginner got a good set up?

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you got 3 rod/reels setups? a 4wt rod/reel setup and also a 6wt rod/reel set up and thevintage rod/reel? if so all these should work fine. just make sure if you have a 6wt rod you want a 6wt reel and a 6 wt fly line. if you got a 4wt you want a 4wt rod and a 4wt fly line. you need to match up the rod and reel and line so it casts right. sounds to me like they set it up and everything so you should be good to go. do you got any flies, indicators and splitshot? find out whats there biting, get some of those flies and tie them on and go catch some trout! you will be hooked for life
sorry bout the confusion
i got the rod and reel combo, it doesn't say anything about weight, the only other legible thing on the rod is where it says all the other **** about the model and what not (8007 8 1/2 c-hch-gbf is all it reads)

and then i got the medalist reel and i didn't see anything about the weight on that

the thing i meant when i said i got 4 wt line was it came free with my medalist... and thats the only size he had at that shop at the flee market

and when i was at sportsman's the guy there (said he'd been fly fishing around 35 years, fishin in general 50) messed with my reel a lil and said it felt like 6 wt to him

hope that clears up anything?
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ok so you got a flyrod that you don't know the wt of and a medalist reel that the guy thinks is a 6wt reel and a 4wt fly line? ok I am not sure how this is gonna work out. you want to have the same wt rod/reel/line for it to work right. I think you can get away using a 4wt line on a 6wt reel. that shouldn't be the problem even tho its not recomended. what you need to do is string up the rod go outside and cast it around a lil and see how the rod loads and casts. see if you can get some nice loop casts out of it.can you get any distance on your cast? if so then this should get you by for now but I would suggest getting a newer setup asap. get one that comes with a fly rod and a reel and some line. try a cabelas 3 forks combo with prestige plus reel or ross reel. I got the cabelas and prestige and they work great. get it in a 5 or 6 wt.http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...=cat20457&rid= they are 80 bux plus shipping. another rod you can get that I have myself and love is TFO professional 5 or 6 wt with a orvis rocky mountain reel and it also comes with fly line and a lifetime warranty. I think this costs $185 or so with free shipping. you can get this deal on Fly Shop Closeouts check um out they both are great rod/reel combos for a great price.
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: beginner got a good set up?

thanks for the help GeorgeMcFly!
before your reply i looked around and i found someone else trying to find the wt of the rod and he got a reply from someone who made a big research on a bunch of heddon vintage rods... and he said it was a 7wt, and its duable with a 6 or 8 would help too.

so i think i'm going to stick with this until i become better, or grab something big enough to scare me into it!
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Default Re: beginner got a good set up?

Mikeybob-

Fly casting is a little different from spinning and baitcasting, where the weight of the lure loads the rod and the lure sails out pulling the light mono line off the reel. In a fly fishing cast the rod is actually casting the weight of the fly line, the "lure" or fly just goes along for the ride. Since the fly is just some feathers or hair on a hook, it doesn't have any weight to load the rod for a cast.

When people talk about the "weight" of the fly rod, in most cases they're talking not about the actual weight of the rod itself, but the fly line weight it's designed to cast. It's pretty important to match up the weight of the rod with the weight of the fly line--- a 6 weight rod would generally cast best with a 6 weight fly line. (It'll still "work" with a four weight line but might be a bit more difficult to learn on.) That's why your post is a little confusing. Maybe you could answer a couple questions and we could help you out....

Is the Heddon rod fiberglass or bamboo?

Is it in good shape-- no missing or cracked guides? Ferrules seat together well? Is there a "set" or bend in the rod? Could you post some pics of the rod and Martin reel?

Depending on the condition you may have a decent rod from a collectors point of view--- in any case the Martin reel if it's in decent condition is probably worth the twenty by itself.

It sounds like you got a reel with four weight line on it when you bought the medalist, but did the Sports Authority fly guy load a 6 weight line on your new reel or the Martin? You have two fly lines now correct? What is the model number of the Pfleuger medalist reel you got at the reel repair place? (This will maybe give a clue as to what the fly line weight might be)

Did you take the rod along with you to Sports Authority? If you did, the fly guy probably matched it up with a 6 weight fly line properly. Did he try casting it? If you didn't take the rod along to the store the 6 weight fly line may have been a guess (a reasonable guess though). It sounds like he did a good job rigging up the Pfleuger reel with the backing, fly line and leader

Do you know what the name (or price) of the 6 weight fly line is by any chance?

If the rod is in decent shape, you may want to take it out on the lawn and have a go at casting. Maybe the fly guy could give you some lessons to get you started?

You might want to check out a couple youtube vids to get your head around the casting thing. Google "Tight lines fly casting part one" for the first of a 3 part series on fly casting. It's pretty good.

Todays graphite rods are pretty advanced, so you may want to get a new one at some point. A six weight rod would be a good match for your new 6 weight fly line and Pfleuger or Martin reel, and would be good for trout and small bass. A four weight rod and line would be more of a light trout and panfish and might be a tad more difficult to cast while you're learning. There are lots of good rods out there for around 100-150 so folks here can give a lot of recommendations for what to put in your letter to Santa.

If you want to take a crack at answering some of those questions, we can probably give you some more help on sorting out the stuff you have...

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Mikeybob-

Fly casting is a little different from spinning and baitcasting, where the weight of the lure loads the rod and the lure sails out pulling the light mono line off the reel. In a fly fishing cast the rod is actually casting the weight of the fly line, the "lure" or fly just goes along for the ride. Since the fly is just some feathers or hair on a hook, it doesn't have any weight to load the rod for a cast.

When people talk about the "weight" of the fly rod, in most cases they're talking not about the actual weight of the rod itself, but the fly line weight it's designed to cast. It's pretty important to match up the weight of the rod with the weight of the fly line--- a 6 weight rod would generally cast best with a 6 weight fly line. (It'll still "work" with a four weight line but might be a bit more difficult to learn on.) That's why your post is a little confusing. Maybe you could answer a couple questions and we could help you out....

Is the Heddon rod fiberglass or bamboo?

Is it in good shape-- no missing or cracked guides? Ferrules seat together well? Is there a "set" or bend in the rod? Could you post some pics of the rod and Martin reel?

Depending on the condition you may have a decent rod from a collectors point of view--- in any case the Martin reel if it's in decent condition is probably worth the twenty by itself.

It sounds like you got a reel with four weight line on it when you bought the medalist, but did the Sports Authority fly guy load a 6 weight line on your new reel or the Martin? You have two fly lines now correct? What is the model number of the Pfleuger medalist reel you got at the reel repair place? (This will maybe give a clue as to what the fly line weight might be)

Did you take the rod along with you to Sports Authority? If you did, the fly guy probably matched it up with a 6 weight fly line properly. Did he try casting it? If you didn't take the rod along to the store the 6 weight fly line may have been a guess (a reasonable guess though). It sounds like he did a good job rigging up the Pfleuger reel with the backing, fly line and leader

Do you know what the name (or price) of the 6 weight fly line is by any chance?

If the rod is in decent shape, you may want to take it out on the lawn and have a go at casting. Maybe the fly guy could give you some lessons to get you started?

You might want to check out a couple youtube vids to get your head around the casting thing. Google "Tight lines fly casting part one" for the first of a 3 part series on fly casting. It's pretty good.

Todays graphite rods are pretty advanced, so you may want to get a new one at some point. A six weight rod would be a good match for your new 6 weight fly line and Pfleuger or Martin reel, and would be good for trout and small bass. A four weight rod and line would be more of a light trout and panfish and might be a tad more difficult to cast while you're learning. There are lots of good rods out there for around 100-150 so folks here can give a lot of recommendations for what to put in your letter to Santa.

If you want to take a crack at answering some of those questions, we can probably give you some more help on sorting out the stuff you have...

peregrines
thanks for the advice!

if its bamboo it'd actually look like bamboo right? cause if not then i'm clueless! :/

yes its in pretty good condition

i'd take a pic but my mac camera isn't workin, and my sis is asleep so i can't go borrow her phone

and no i got 4wt line for free when i purchased the medalist

and i have three lines the one on the martin, the free one with the medalist, and the one i bought at sportsman's. i don't know what wt is on the martin
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Default Re: beginner got a good set up?

Ok cool.

yeah, a bamboo rod is made out of planed strips of wood, so you'd see that. Sounds like you have a fiberglass rod, probably yellowish?

The fly guy probably set you up with a weight forward 6 weight fly line, (with a thicker portion at the front end) and it'll probably work well with you rod if you want to practice casting with it, or tie it to your sister and reel her in.

Take alook at the youtube video to get a feel for what you're supposed to do, then tie 1" piece of yarn on the end of the leader as the "fly" if you want to practice on the lawn. (Don't practice on cement or gravel it'll scuff up the fly line.)

Make sure you have 30 feet behind you for your backcast, and nothing like kids, power lines, trees etc in the way. Strip out about 10 feet of fly line from the tip, and another 10-15 feet from the reel onto the grass next to you and have at it.

When you start, remember it's all about the timing. Go easy and don't try to muscle your way through the cast. Distance and timing will come, for now work on getting it out 25-30 feet. That whip crack sound you'll be hearing means you're not waiting long enough for the backcast to straighten out before you make you're forward cast. It'll be frustrating at first, but everyone starts this way so pay your dues, and you'll be casting well before you know it.

Keep posting questions as they come up. There's lots of good folks here to help out. Good luck!

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Just give it a try. you never know how its gonna cast until you give it a go.
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