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Old 12-21-2008, 09:13 AM
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Another place to consider if you come before runoff, is the caddis hatch on the Arkansas River Co.
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What time of the year does the caddis hatch typically come off on the AK?

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I forgot to mention "Spring Run Off". Last year the Rockies received a record amount of snow fall over the winter months and the run off didn't really finish until mid-July. That is something to consider depending on the river you have in mind for your vacation, it won't impact the tailwater areas like the San Juan, Frying Pan or the Grey Reef (on the North Platte), but definately something you should keep in the back of your mind. I remember posts on this forum last year where folks had planned a fishing vacation in the Yellowstone area in early June when most of the streams were in spring runoff.

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What time of the year does the caddis hatch typically come off on the AK?

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A normal year would be mid April on the lower section. How far north it moves before runoff depends on the weather.
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Thanks Pete.

I'll have to keep that in mind. I love to fish caddis hatches.

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I forgot to mention "Spring Run Off". Last year the Rockies received a record amount of snow fall over the winter months and the run off didn't really finish until mid-July. That is something to consider depending on the river you have in mind for your vacation, it won't impact the tailwater areas like the San Juan, . . . Larry
Actually, Larry, the heavy snowfall and consequent heavy run-off did affect the San Juan in that the Navajo Dam reservoir feeding into the San Juan had to considerably increase their flows, and for longer than normal, which meant that the San Juan wasn't really wadeable for quite a while later than normally is the case (of course, the inept "management" of San Juan river flows from the Navajo Dam reservoir probably had quite a bit to do with it ).

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Thanks again for all the information. One of the main reasons we are planing so far in advance is because we know that the plans will change. we really will only have a few "set" destinations. Most of the time we will probably pull into a town and ask around to see what we'll be doing. We are gonna set aside about 4 weeks to do this so we will take our time. If any of you feel like coming along on a trip feel free to ask. If possible we'll swing by and we can take a day or two, or whatever... to go out and experience the local fishing. we are gonna take lots of pictures and document most of it with a video camera so i'll put up links to those when the time comes.

I'm sure that when we get closer to the time of our trip i'll be able to get more specific info on where the fish are biting so i'm sure this thread will get revived constantly.

Keep it coming though, i'm a sponge soak me!
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Neil: That is interesting, I would never have thought that the heavy run off would have impacted the San Juan. I'll have to keep that in mind the next time I'm planning a trip down that way.

Boone: If you tie your own flies, that fly fishing internet radio site (I posted earlier) is a great site to listen to professional guides talk about their local waters. You will gain quite an insight into fishing the Rockies from listening to some of the past episodes. By the way, how many people do you have in your group?

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Mc: I do tie my own flies, and will/have listened to the radio broadcast. Thanks a ton! It is just a friend of mine that i go to school with (the trip will be between our junior and senior years of college) and myself, but as i was saying before feel free to come along for a day or two when we are in your section or the country. I'm sure after a while we would both appreciate a new face to talk to.
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Boone-

The guidebooks mentioned by state are excellent. In addition to tips on specific rivers, you’ll get maps with access sites.

To whet your appetite, here’s a site with links to some rivers by state, with some info on each:
Welcome to the Flyfishingconnection

If you’re thinking of going to Yellowstone this book by Craig Mathews is very good:
Amazon.com: The Yellowstone Fly-Fishing Guide: Craig Mathews, Clayton Molinero: Books

There are a variety of different water types—spring creeks (small flies delicate presentations), small fast freestone rivers (big bushy dries), slower big food-rich freestone rivers with a variety of hatches from small (tricos) to huge (salmonflies), and tailwaters (small flies and midges). Hatches will vary by latitude, water type (spring, small fast freestone, slow big freestone, tailwater, lakes) and water source (snow melt or other) same as in the East, but the big difference is the effect of altitude for us eastern guys, with hatches occurring at different times, early lower and later as you move up into colder water on the same stream.

Here are some very general “western hatch charts” that by their nature is very general, but it’ll give you some idea of the sequence of hatches if not the exact timing for specific waters. Main differences form our eastern waters will be PEDs, PMD’s, Callibaetis, ginormous stoneflies like the Salmonfly, Western Green Drake/Grandis and Flav (smaller and greener than the eastern green drake and hatches last a longer time, an important hatch in many places out west), hoppers in August are a bigger deal and a lot more emphasis on stimulator and caddis patterns (dries and emergers and specific western hatches like the Black Dancer in late summer and October Caddis in PNW in early fall that we don't have and cased caddis patterns like the brassy) and more emphasis on fast water patterns like humpies and trudes for steep gradient streams.

Lot’s of stuff like BWO’s, and other stuff you probably have for eastern stuff are good out west of course. Here’s a link if you want to get a head start on some tying:
Western Fly Hatch Charts

Do a lot of research and try to hit specific waters that you’ve mapped out in advance Google hatch charts on the waters you plan to fish to get background info and zero in on fly shops for local up to the minute advice when you get there.

Sounds like a great trip, you should have a blast!

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