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Default Greased leaders

My understanding is that you "grease" a leader by applying floatant to make it float better. This must be a carry over expression from the old days when lines were greased.

When do you grease a leader?
What floatant do you use or all they all the same?
With furled leaders and dry flies, are leaders always greased?
Do you grease flouro... tippets?
Any other tips or "how to" on greasing leaders?

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Are you refurring to a 'greased line presentation' ?

The greased line presention has to do with down stream mending to present th fly broadstream to the fish
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Default Re: Greased leaders

I use Musclin to treat my leaders. All furled leaders need to be treated if you want them to float.

Don't treat the tippet. Whether it's mono or fluoro. You want the tippet to ride right under the surface. It will be less visible to the fish that way.
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My understanding is that you "grease" a leader by applying floatant to make it float better. This must be a carry over expression from the old days when lines were greased.

When do you grease a leader?
What floatant do you use or all they all the same?
With furled leaders and dry flies, are leaders always greased?
Do you grease flouro... tippets?
Any other tips or "how to" on greasing leaders?

Thanks.

Hey Gator,
As mentioned you grease the leader anytime you want it to float such as fishing a dryfly, you will want to apply floatant to within 6" of the fly.
This application is also used when fishing emergers, determine how far below the surface you want the fly to drift and grease the leader accordingly.

Floatants.
I personally favor silicone based floatants, and use it for both flies(except for CDC flies), leaders, and tippets.

All floatants are not the same, you have paste type, squeezable from the tube type, sprays, and then you also have the desicant powders such as 'Frogs Fanny' that are preffered for any fly with CDC.

Furled leaders. Yes you should grease furled leaders if they are being used to fish dries.


Putting floatant on 'Fluorocarbon' these days probably does happen as I think more people are using fluorocarbon when fishing dry, using floatant would tend to go against the original purpose intended for the material which was for subsurface presentations.

Well that is my .02 worth, hope that helps.
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If you grease your leader, it appears to the fish as a large crack on the water surface
The more it's greased, the wider the crack.
Unless you are watching your leader as an indicator, you want your leader to sink, not float.
It's much less obvious to that fish this way
Much less drag too.
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If you grease your leader, it appears to the fish as a large crack on the water surface
The more it's greased, the wider the crack.
Unless you are watching your leader as an indicator, you want your leader to sink, not float.
It's much less obvious to that fish this way
Much less drag too.

Fish are used to seeing all kinds of junk floating on the water. As long as the tippet isn't floating, the fly will look ok to them.

Otherwise we'd never catch any fish.
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Fish are used to seeing all kinds of junk floating on the water. As long as the tippet isn't floating, the fly will look ok to them.
Otherwise we'd never catch any fish.
How many others are scared away in the process ?

The distance that a trout sees depends on the size of it's 'window of view'
Not the length of the tippet
The size of the 'window' depends on the depth that the fish is holding
The area outside the window is reflective, just like a mirror
A leader floating in that mirror area looks like a crack
Not something fish are use to seeing
Sure, sometimes the urge to eat is stronger than the fish's caution....
but how often is that ???
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How many others are scared away in the process ?

The distance that a trout sees depends on the size of it's 'window of view'
Not the length of the tippet
The size of the 'window' depends on the depth that the fish is holding
The area outside the window is reflective, just like a mirror
A leader floating in that mirror area looks like a crack
Not something fish are use to seeing
Sure, sometimes the urge to eat is stronger than the fish's caution....
but how often is that ???
I understand, but if the connection is lost to the fly from the tippet. Do you think the fish is smart enough to connect the fly to the leader?
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Good points you two.

I use the furled leaders and like Old Man I use Mucilin (red or but mostly green) I also use Umpqua BUG FLOTE. It is a little thicker and doesn't turn to water in the hot summer days.

I fish mostly 5 1/2' furled leaders which I will add floatant, but I have 3 to 5 feet of fluoro off that and NO floatant. It goes in the film quite nice and is not visible.

As far as the leader spooking. Just me, but I ALWAYS approach a river with fishing right in front of me, then work my way across the river, EVEN if I see them rising on the other side.

Starting on the other side, yes, you can spook all the fish in the middle.

I have caught allot of fish right off the bank I am standing (or crouched down on) Three feet in front of me.
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I understand, but if the connection is lost to the fly from the tippet. Do you think the fish is smart enough to connect the fly to the leader?

He may be smart enough to connect the fly to the leader, but he's gonna have a heckuva time tying the knots with those tiny little fins. i'm sorry I just couldn't resist.
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