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Cool Hand Hodge 12-30-2010 07:46 PM

Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
I have a line where the loop got cut off and I'm looking for a good alternative for a loop to loop connection. I tried nail knotting some 17lb mono on with the intentions of then tieing a perfection loop, however the mono cuts through the coating on the fly line and then of course slips off. Is this because the mono is too thin, or should i try something else?

Shane Stroud 12-30-2010 08:10 PM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
I had this happen with a Monic line. Their clear freshwater lines are SUPER soft. I have used several methods, all of which worked well.

I'm a big fan of Cortland leader loops, but if that's not your cup of tea, most folks here seem to like Amnesia for this kind of thing.
When I did one of mine, I used 20# fluorocarbon, so I can't imagine the 17# being too thin, although that is a distinct possibility. One thing I also did was hit the end of the line with a Zippo to kinda seal and weld it before I added my fluoro loop. But that would probably only work with a line with a mono core.

I have also used the recommended method here, minus the acetone. I cut off the outer coating with a box knife:
Loop connections - Loop on a fly line - Global FlyFisher

If, by chance, this is a Monic line, their core looks to be plain monofilament. It's a little slick for that method, so I used a good bit of glue when making it.

Cool Hand Hodge 12-30-2010 08:42 PM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
i suppose i could just nail knot in a leader and then when its shot, tie in a loop from the butt section...seems like the move

dang old king 12-30-2010 09:21 PM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Hodge (Post 186483)
i suppose i could just nail knot in a leader and then when its shot, tie in a loop from the butt section...seems like the move

Exactly..leave about 18" of your old leader and tie a double overhand loop into it and bingo..There ya be..
Did that for years..
Now I just add to the leader and make my own tapper..knotless schmotless.
Your leader need's to hinge..you can add weight at different locations.. it turns over better..so many reasons to never buy a leader again..
Ask "Rim" how many leaders he's purchased in his life time..

Just Drinking out loud..er.. Thinking out loud.:wiggle:
Steve

JoJer 12-31-2010 11:07 PM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
You could whip a loop on the end, trim the cut end at an angle so it goes thru the guides easy, then coat with pliobond, aqua seal etc

Jimmie 01-01-2011 11:33 AM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane Stroud (Post 186476)
I have also used the recommended method here, minus the acetone. I cut off the outer coating with a box knife:
Loop connections - Loop on a fly line - Global FlyFisher

There are a couple of guys at our FF club that swear by the above. They are not even making loops in the flyline. They are just running mono or Amnesia into the core of the flyline and gluing it. They said that they have never had one fail, and let me try to pull it apart. I haven't tried it on my own line so................
If I did it I'd definitely Pliobond the end of the line.

Fly2Fish 01-01-2011 10:16 PM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dang old king (Post 186501)
Exactly..leave about 18" of your old leader and tie a double overhand loop into it and bingo..There ya be..
Did that for years..
Now I just add to the leader and make my own tapper..knotless schmotless.
Your leader need's to hinge..you can add weight at different locations.. it turns over better..so many reasons to never buy a leader again..
Ask "Rim" how many leaders he's purchased in his life time..

Just Drinking out loud..er.. Thinking out loud.:wiggle:
Steve

Like Steve said. Variations I use with good effect is to nail-knot to the fly line an 18" length of red Amnesia (20# or 22#, depending upon leader I want to construct), but then, because I hate loops, I then install the butt-end of a Scientific Anglers L2L Reconnect leader so that I can quick-change leaders without the hinging effect I always seem to encounter with loop-to-loops.

webrx 01-02-2011 08:18 AM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
We had a discussion on this a while back. I did a quick search for loop connections and found this thread that has a bunch of info.

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BigCliff 01-03-2011 10:39 AM

Re: Problem with putting a loop on m fly line...need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool Hand Hodge (Post 186483)
i suppose i could just nail knot in a leader and then when its shot, tie in a loop from the butt section...seems like the move

If you've already tried nail knotting on a butt extension and that slipped off, I would expect a leader to do the same. Although the butt of the leader is most likely more like 30, and thus should grip the fly line coating rather than cutting through it.

Another option is to re-create a loop in the end of your fly line. This is done via doubling over the fly line and putting 2-3 nail knots around both sections. After doing so, you'll want to put some kind of sealant on it, especially to keep the trimmed off bit of fly line from hanging on the tip-top.

You could use pliobond-
http://www.btbff.com/staticBTBFF/con...Connected4.jpg

But I would use Loon's UV Knot Sense so it comes out clearer, smoother, and harder- (though it might sink the tip of your line slightly)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5LCzj9IIR4...0/IMG_1693.JPG

Note- I still recommend using multiple knots like above, I just added this pic to show how the Knot Sense will cure up.


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