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Old 01-16-2010, 06:18 AM
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Hey guys am going to start trying to tie my own flys, Ha! with that said, I live in north west ALABAMA, and going to be fishing for panfish- bream& bass?
what flys would I need to start on, 2 or 3 at the most and what tying materials would I need so as not to go to much overboard with stuff I will not use ?? New at this fly fishing thing but retired now and need one more hobby Crappie fish now but getting better at fly casting so much fun, but don"t know if I can get a fly down to the crappie,HA
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Coyote-

Great! The good news is that a lot of the materials for bass, panfish and crappie are relatively inexpensive, and many of the flies are pretty easy to tie----- and they work!

Here are some suggestions for a few patterns, links to step by steps for tying them and a suggested material list that might be a bit different from the listing in the link (less expensive). Don't feel you need to get all this stuff at once, just zero in on a couple patterns that float your boat. All these patterns suggested below will use basic materials that you can use on tons of other flies.

Thread size 6/0 in black would work for all of these
head cement (or Sally Hansen's Hard as Nails)

For Bass

Woolly Bugger Depending how much weight you use, this fly will get deeper
Bead Head Wooly Bugger Fishing Fly Recipe - Fly Tying Patterns for beginners - Copperfly.net
Materials
Hook: Mustad R74-9672 size 6 (a streamer hook, 3 extra long) (about 4.50 for 25 pack or 8.00 for 50 pack)
Hackle: Strung Saddle hackle- black. (about 3.00)
Body: Chenille- medium size black and olive (about 2.50 each)
Tail: Strung Marabou in black and olive (about 2.50 each)
Rib: Medium Gold Wire (about 2.50)
Flash: Pearl Krystal Flash (about 4.00)
Weight: Non toxic “Lead Wire” .025” or .030 “ diameter (about 2.50)
Bead: Gold, or Copper Bead Head (optional) size 4.6 mm or 3/16” for hook sizes 4-6 (about 3.00 for 25 beads)

Bucktail or Marabou Wing Streamer These streamers will suspend (marabou more so than bucktail) for fishing the upper layer of the water column.
Mickey Finn Bucktail Streamer Tutorial
The Mickey Finn is a great pattern, but the step by steps are here to show you how to tie this "style" of fly and you can use many different materials for the wing and body. Instead of the materials listed,
Use the same hooks you used for the Woolly Bugger.
Add some gold body braid instead of tinsel (easier to use than tinsel as a body material, it goes on just as the chenille did in the bugger, no rib needed), about 2.50 a pack

With this you can tie up some simple marabou streamers:
Body/wing/flash
gold body braid/black marabou/ a couple strands of pearl krystal flash tied along each side of the wing
gold body/olive marabou/pearl flash

Other combinations that work well:
gold or copper body/ yellow marabou wing/pearl krystal flash
silver body/white marabou wing/pearl krystal flash

silver body braid/white bucktail/pearl krystal flash
gold body/ chartreuse bucktail/pearl krystal flash

Adding 5-6 strands of peacock herl on top of a marabou or bucktail wing gives a nice finished look to a streamer and closely resembles the backs of many baitfish. A 1/4oz pack of strung herl goes for about 4.00 and you'll use it on tons of other flies.


And some stuff for panfish

Hooks: Mustad 3399A would be a good inexpensive hook (about 4.50 per 100) for both panfish (size 12 to start sizes 10 -14 down the road) and crappie (size 8) and would work for all these patterns, although there are more specialized hooks you could use down the road

Foam Spider a good one for topwater and fun to fish
Terrestrials - Warmwater Fly Tyer - by Ward Bean

and Fly Tying Patterns for begginers - Copperfly.net - The Foam Spider Flishing Fly (this one is a bit more difficult to tie because the foam strip is doubled back over itself, but floats better)

Hook: Any, size 10-14 would be good for panfish
Body: Closed cell foam 2 MM thick, cut it with a razor blade and straight edge about the width of the hook gap, then cut to length (about 1 x length of the hook shank or 2x length of the hook shank depending on if your tying a single layer or doubling it over itself). You can buy these foam sheets much cheaper from a craft store like Michael’s, Hobby Lobby etc, A multi color pack of 60 8 1/2x 11" sheets might run 6 bucks or so. They’re also available from fly shops, but cost more money for smaller pieces--- usually two 4x4" sheets for 2.50. You can also buy premade foam bodies from fly shops, but that's the most expensive option. Good colors are black. yellow, chartreuse or white, but any will work.
Legs- Rubber legs black or white from fly shop, or cut a bungee cord and use the rubber strands inside
Wing: Optional- if you have some synthetic yarn lying around you can take a bit of it and tie it in when you make the thread wraps over the foam to help you see the fly on the water

Slow sinking/suspending panfish flies

Panfish Pole Cat
Wet Flies - Warmwater Fly Tyer - by Ward Bean
Use the same hooks, same legs, just add your choice of chenille, vernille colors or wool if you have some around.

Partridge and Peacock (instead of Peacock and Brown)
Wet Flies - Warmwater Fly Tyer - by Ward Bean
Tied the same way as in the link but using partridge feathers instead of hen hackle (a pack of partridge feathers goes for about 2.50), strung peacock herl (1/4oz for 4.00 bucks) and your Mustad 3399A hooks

For deeper water and crappie

Bully Spider
Bully's Bluegill Spider Fly Tying Video - Adventures in Fly Tying with Fly Fish Ohio
Same hooks in size 8-14
Body chenille, vernille or wool. Your choice of colors- pink, brown, black, olive, yellow, chartreuse, white all work
Legs - rubber legs
Weight: .015” or .010” diameter nontoxic “lead” wire

Crappie Candy
Crappie Candy - "Fly of the Week #198 - FAOL"
Hook: Mustad 3399A size 10 or 8 about 4.50 per 100
Tail: pack of strung white marabou about 2.50
Body: chenille or wool in Fluorescent Green, Bright Yellow (or whatever your crappie favorite colors)
Flash : Pearlescent (it goes with every color) Krystal Flash about
Wing: White (natural) bucktail about 5.00
Weight: Get a length of bead chain from a hardware store (cheaper than a fly shop) and cut the links into pairs with needle nose pliers. These will be tied on as eyes. Metal lead or brass “Dumbell” eyes are also available at fly shops if you need more weight to get deeper, and for flies like Clouser Minnows.

Clousers are typically tied with bucktail for bass, but on smaller hook sizes marabou, rabbit fur or fox hair are good choices for crappie; Here's how to tie them: http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/fly...fm?parentID=66 . A less expensive alternative to the hooks listed in the recipe is a size 4 3399A hook for bass and size 8 for crappie.

There are a zillion other choices as well, but those will get you started, and the materials will come in handy on a bunch of other patterns down the road.

Keep asking questions- there are a lot of good folks here that can help get you started. Feel free to post pics of your flies if you want some constructive feedback--- and jump in on some fly swaps---- we have a beginner trout and panfish fly swap just starting up.
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Mark, I was going to reply, but you covered it pretty well...

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The only thing I may add is this, add a set of white rubber legs on each side of a black wooly bugger, bluegill love that.
And spinning deer hair is a ball, its awsome what you can with it when you learn the basiec steps.
Although cork or foam poppers last longer and float better longer.
A good fly for bluegill is a dragon fly nymph,
2xl nymph hook, a tufft of olive marabou tail, gold wire for ribbing, olive dubbing for body and thoarax, and black plastic eyes.
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Good choice do it.
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Hey thanks guys , just the kind of infor. I was looking for,Will be using a 5wt. rod & reel,A guy gave it to me he had it made 30 or so years ago, and never used it so he gave it to me,still cold & rain down here but I get out when i can to try it out , don't know of any fly shops close around so can't get training for both casting or tying but this Forum is great , also some of the books, dvd, and links from this site help alot !!!! Any more Infor. is great , Working with a guy on the site on the vise & tying tools to get me started on the right track I hope ? and the list you guys came up with is GREAT Thanks

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You'll have a blast terrorizing the bass, bream, and crappie down there.

Keep asking questions as they come up, and be sure to post pics of the flies you tie and the fish you catch.
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Foam spiders work excellent and are very easy to tie. Foam beetles are easy as well and use the same materials. I like to get creative and make them look unique but the fish don't seem to care as long as it looks etible.
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