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Old 02-01-2010, 09:04 PM
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Default Hook Confusion

I just noticed while tying hares ears that my size 12 flies look just as big as my size 14 flies. I realize that it is becasue the shank of the size 12 is shorter then the size 14. So my question is does it matter how long the shank of the hook is? Can the fish tell that it is smaller even though they may look the same to me?

Sorry if this is confusing.
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The shank length is determioned by the pattern....most of the time. The fish sees what you give it and probably does not know what a hook is nor the hook size. Just stick with the correct sized hook for the pattern and you will be fine.
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What hooks are you using? A Mustad 3906 is a standard nymph hook, but the
3906B is 1X longer. 1X isn't much, but it's enough to notice. I tend to tie
most of my Hare's ear and Pheasant Tails on the 1X long hooks, especially if
a bead is used. The hook package (regardless of brand) should give some
indication if it's longer than standard.
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What hooks are you using? A Mustad 3906 is a standard nymph hook, but the
3906B is 1X longer. 1X isn't much, but it's enough to notice. I tend to tie
most of my Hare's ear and Pheasant Tails on the 1X long hooks, especially if
a bead is used. The hook package (regardless of brand) should give some
indication if it's longer than standard.
Addt'l info- there's also the 9671 which has a round bend and is 2x long, and the 9672 which is 3x long.

There's a huge variation out there in shank length on hooks. A "standard dry fly hook" will be exactly that, but there's also longer shanked dry fly hooks intended for hoppers and such. For nymphs it gets trickier still, now that beadhead nymphs are more common than beadless. You'll have a heck of a time tying a size 16 beadhead PT on a "standard nymph hook".

On top of that, I don't even find the gap size on hooks to be all that consistent from one maker to the next. I suggest finding a hook maker you like, and sticking with that one for consistency's sake.
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After Cliff mentioned the Mustad 9671, I realized Mustad might be one of the
only big name makers not to label their hook packages clearly.
I suppose that I've been using Mastads for so long, I just know their system.
Their system has changed, however, but they do have a conversion chart.
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Fish ain't the sharpest tools in the shed. I've tied #26 midge patterns on a #22 TMC 2488 and caught fish on them. And I'm fishing some of the most pressured water in the West. Ye Haw!
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Default Re: Hook Confusion

Thanks guys..looks like I need to pick out my hooks more carefully
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