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Old 03-05-2010, 12:21 AM
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I'm working through Charlie Craven's book and I have been working on the RS2 in sz 16. Is it just me or are those dang microfibbets a PITA to work with? Twisting, crossing, and sticking together... ugh. I got about 4-5 tied and gave up for the evening... went back to tying olive nymphs in different variations. /rant... Time for a beer

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Justin: The RS2 shouldn't be that difficult. Charlie uses his thumbnail to split the tail apart after tying in the two tailing fibers. Another technique that might help is to form a very small ball of thread at the bend of the hook and then tie in the two tail fibers, one on each side of the ball so the ball will help split the tail.

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Justin: The RS2 shouldn't be that difficult. Charlie uses his thumbnail to split the tail apart after tying in the two tailing fibers. Another technique that might help is to form a very small ball of thread at the bend of the hook and then tie in the two tail fibers, one on each side of the ball so the ball will help split the tail.

Larry
I kept finger nailing it to no avail... I'll give the small ball when I give it another go tomorrow. Thanks for the tip Larry.

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Larry hit it on the head again , put a ball of thread at the end works like a charm.

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Larry-
That's a really clever idea, its so simple but I would never have thought of it.
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Default Re: I officially hate the RS2...

The dubbing ball is the easiest way to split the fibers...they can be a pain to work with sometimes.......the one i have been having a pain with is the price nymph and copper john cause of the stupid goose biots...i cant ever get them to lay down right
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Hi Everyone,

I have a lot of trouble with the Prince Nymph also. The tail biots just give me fits.

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Don't be afraid to pinch those fibbets tight while winding thread. I use the
ball of thread (doesn't need to be big) at the rear of the hook as well. Most
slick materials want to rotate on the hook shaft when thread pressure is
applied, so you have to either pinch it, or even move the material X number
of degrees counter to the thread rotation to compensate. Using 8/0 thread
should help to minimize this, and also allow you to take a wrap between the
hook and base of the fibbets to pull them into place. I wrap fibbets and
biots one side at a time, BTW.
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Don't be afraid to pinch those fibbets tight while winding thread. I use the
ball of thread (doesn't need to be big) at the rear of the hook as well. Most
slick materials want to rotate on the hook shaft when thread pressure is
applied, so you have to either pinch it, or even move the material X number
of degrees counter to the thread rotation to compensate. Using 8/0 thread
should help to minimize this, and also allow you to take a wrap between the
hook and base of the fibbets to pull them into place. I wrap fibbets and
biots one side at a time, BTW.
I'm using 70 denier flat thread. The biggest problem I think is the lack of practice working with small materials. I got big hands that are always getting in the way I think the ball idea will work out great. Charlie's method is to leave the tag on the original tie in and use that to split the fibbets, but it just doesn't work well for me... practice practice practice... I'll get it. My goal is to not move on from one pattern to the next without being able to get the fly right.

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Default Re: I officially hate the RS2...

Frank W,
For the Tail Biots on the Prince or Stoneflies,

I hold both together, splayed in an "X" pattern, at about a 45 degree angle to each other,
with more of the slender/pointy part pinched between my thumb and index finger,
and the larger ends overlapping each other,extending out of my fingers.
(how much of a size X pattern and overlap depends on the size of the hook).

Tie them in at the "Crossing" of the Biots, and the further you wind back your thread on the hook will determine how much Splay you get.

You can also throw in some figure 8 wraps to get the required separation

If you need,I can post a pic if this isn't clear.

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I have a lot of trouble with the Prince Nymph also. The tail biots just give me fits.

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