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maccadon3000 06-13-2011 10:35 PM

How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
So, I've just spent quite a bit of money on some quality necks, and I'd be devastated if I opened up a bag with a neck chewed to bits by moths. I have talked to Charlie Collins of Collins Hackle Farm and he insisted I use Enoz moth cakes that are a different chemical than mothballs. I have read that they don't smell as bad as mothballs, but they still stink. I also have a young son who is curious and i know its not exactly healthy to inhale that stuff. I also know cedar chips prevent damage, but don't kill the bugs like Enoz. So, do any of you have suggestions on effective methods of bug control with your expensive necks and saddles? I currently have my necks residing in a snap lock air tight bin, but is this enough?

mcnerney 06-13-2011 10:39 PM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
I don't really know a good answer, but I have had good luck in those air tight plastic tubs, probably like you already use.

Larry

MoscaPescador 06-14-2011 12:26 AM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
You can freeze your hackles and fur. That is always good for long term storage.

Air tight tubs are good.

I'm a big fan of Enoz moth cakes. I have them in my desk.

Dennis

FrankB2 06-14-2011 06:11 AM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
I buy materials from clean stores, and then store them in airtight tupperware (like Mosca said). The tubs don't get too large--10"x14" inches, roughly--so if there is a problem, it won't spread to all of my materials....hopefully. If a batch of materials looks suspicious, I toss it in the freezer for a few weeks, look it over, and then toss it in with the tupperware stuff. Also, I only take out materials as I need them. If I need hackle to tie a dozen Adams, I take out the feathers I think I'll need, and then replace the package before beginning to tie. There are a few materials that I use often enough that I leave them out: peackock herl, a patch of deer body fur, any leftover saddle hackle from previous tying sessions, a pheasant tail, and some tailing feathers. Materials left out are not returned to the tupperware, and stuff dropped on the carpet is definitely not put in with the protected materials. I have a LOT of fur and feathers, and this method has kept me pest-free for years. Keeping the area around your materials clean can't hurt either. When I read stories about pests in tying materials, it's often someone tying in their basement, or storing materials in old yard sale desks.

Hardyreels 06-14-2011 06:32 AM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
I've been very fortunate because in over 40 years of collecting feathers and fur I've never had any kind if infestation. When I lived in PA. GA. VA. and CO. I always put just one moth ball into each drawer full of stuff. The aroma didn't seem overpowering and this has probably contributed to my bug free existence. I would probably go with the new and improved moth cake if I had a high level of concern.

Ard

Jimmie 06-14-2011 10:17 AM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
The Ostrich approach here. I do nothing. I'm lucky to have the space I do and any odor is sending me into solitary.
New stuff I'll freeze for 3+ days. That does not apply to commercial material. Just put that into play, and use right away.

Glen Wright 06-14-2011 10:32 AM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
Here is a good article on the topic by Dennis Conrad co-owner of Conranch Hackle. One of the places I highly recommend by the way as they produce fantastic hackle.

"Care of Hackle and Keeping the Bugs Out - Fly Tying Tips - Week 195 Fly Angler's OnLine"

stimmy7 06-14-2011 10:59 AM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
Sorry- this is a long post, but it's my typical response to this question.

It's always good to set aside sufficient time to tie... but also occasionally to get familiar with the materials you have and spend some time setting up things that may help you effectively use your time when you do tie.

I learned the importance of having CLEAN, well packaged and labeled materials at a pretty young age after having an infestation cost me a few pelts, tails and capes. Don't assume that materials you purchase or receive are always insect free or have been properly treated and cleaned. SMELL them on receipt, check them for excess fat or oil (on the skin side), and NEVER introduce them into your inventory until you have given them an opportunity to prove themselves worthy! This isn't usually a problem with synthetics, but natural materials definitely need to be 'studied'.

Even with the highest quality on-skin or on-hide materials (Hoffmann, Metz, whatever) you will periodically find problems that can be easily cured by spending a bit of time checking them over and washing them. Look at the skin and see if there are any 'blobs' of fat or greasy/oily areas- you can typically find these by running a piece of medium blue or grey paper across them and see if it darkens. After using a razor blade and sharp scissors to cut away any fat or excess skin, you can use the edge of a spoon (dedicated to this purpose, NOT a kitchen utensil!) to scrape the back of the skin and make sure there's no more surface fat.

Now, smell the patch and see if you pick up any oily scent. Even if you don't, washing the materials is a good idea. Fill a clean sink with warm water and a small amount (a couple of tablespoons) of Dawn dishwashing detergent. Place the neck in the water and allow it to sit for a few minutes, then using your hands, rub the skin surface gently to remove any surface oils. Turn the neck over and 'swish' the feathers through the soapy water while fanning them away from the skin. Drain the sink and rinse both sides of the neck under running warm water until there is no soap remaining. Rinse the neck again under cool water and place it skin side down on a pad of paper towels to drain and dry. If you have a ceiling fan, place it on the table under the ceiling fan and turn it on medium to help dry the feathers out. You can also do this with a hair dryer on low heat by draping the skin side of the neck over your hand and aiming the dryer at the feathers.

Allow the neck to dry completely for a day or so and then place it in a NEW, CLEAN, ziploc-type bag and label it with the date you purchased it and the source you obtained it from. IF YOU'RE REAL PARANOID... you can pop it in the freezer for a couple of days and pull it out before introducing it into your inventory... this way if there were any insect eggs you may have missed, it will kill them.

One thing you'll notice after doing this is there will be a bit of a difference in the color of the feathers from before and after washing, the other is how much the feathers will shine. You can do this with necks, saddles, full capes, any "feathers on skin" patches and you REALLY should consider it. All it will take is one rancid or buggy patch that ruins the balance of your materials to change your mind.

The same can be done with fur patches, it's not necessary to do this with tanned hides but with dry cured furs it's a good idea. I've routinely done this with bucktails, calf tails and any on-hide fur I get from live kills. You will need a utility knife (to remove excess skin and fat), a comb and/or brush, and a bit more time for drying these materials after washing. It's also a good idea to consider making a 50/50 mixture of baking soda and table salt to use to sprinkle on the skin to help cure and dry it after the majority of the water has dried out.

And furs, capes, pelts from live kills should ALWAYS be frozen, defrosted and frozen a second time after they are completely dry to kill off any eggs.

A little time spent up front will provide a better long term experience when tying, especially with the high cost of materials currently.

Store your labeled ziploc bags in snap tight plastic containers away from excessive heat and light to extend the life of your materials and try not to mix materials (feathers, furs, synthetics) unless it's smaller volumes stored in a travel tying kit. Keep your plastic containers to a reasonable size- I think it's much better to have more medium sized ones than fewer large ones. If you can be sure your materials are bug free when you store them this way, you can avoid the need for using moth cakes, eucalyptus nuts, cedar or chewing tobacco plugs when you store them.

kelkay 06-15-2011 01:32 PM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
I freeze all material for at least a week. I was using moth balls. But the smell just about drove me crazy, and it was smelling up my house. So now I have cedar blocks in my tying boxes. I keep the material in a zip lock bag, then I put the bags into a large plastic box. Now and then you need to sand the cedar to get the cedar smell strong again.

notenuftoys 06-20-2011 07:53 PM

Re: How do you store your tying materials to keep away pests?
 
I haven't tried freezing - that sounds like a good idea. I do keep all my feathers and hair in separate ziploc bags, either the original bag, or in my own. I don't combine any feathers, more because I'm particular about organizing my materials than any concern for bugs. Small bags of hair and feathers then get stored in Sterilite containers I buy from Hobby Lobby.


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