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Old 09-06-2011, 06:28 PM
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How many here strictly tie by recipe or somewhat deviate from that recipe but basically still following one. I ask because I find myself more and more that I disregard tried and true recipe's and just going for what I think might "look good" or might attract fish in my mind, I am by no means an experienced tier, off and on for a few years out of the last ten or so and I really don't deviate because I think I know better, I just seem to move that way just to try new things I guess. So my question, do you pull out the recipe book or do you letyour mind wander on the vise. You might be able to tell it's been raining here an awful lot lately and I'm getting bored, hence the strange question.

edit to add to flies born out of boredom, and ya know what I guess everything has been done because no matter what I do I am sure it has been done and written down somewhere.
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Old 09-06-2011, 06:53 PM
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I deviate all of the time. It may be to try a different variation. It may be to use materials that I have currently available rather than ordering.
NOW; the person that taught me to tie; has flies published in his name; has tied for 70+ years; never deviates. I've seen it too many times. He will only follow a recipe to the "T". I sort of admire that even though I occassionally get frustrated with it.
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There are several flies that I don't mess around with. Bob Warren's Golden Pheasant Spey is one that I tie to the original specs. I know what that fly can do as originated, so I tie it just as Bob designed it. Just not as well as Bob ties it. Others, streamers like Gray Ghost and Green Beauty I've found do much better (for me) changed up a little. I don't tie wall-hangers, I tie fishing flies, so if I make a change from a classic pattern, its for a reason. To fool fish. It's all about what works...for me.
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Wow 70+ years, he would be the one to learn from, But even he must have deviated once in a while, I mean he deviated enough to produce a new fly and then have it published unless I'm not understanding how that is accomplished.
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I would submit that it's not deviation that produces a new fly...that would just be a variation on a theme, so to speak, a variant.

While one might be working within a "genre", say streamers or salmon wet flies, so there is some sort of "form" generality perhaps, a truly new fly owes nothing except tradition to its predecessors.

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Okay I get that. let me ask this as a related question, does anyone feel it is actually wrong to vary from the prescribed materials and should not be done, and the reason I ask this is because I was watching a vid on tying a certain fly and in the comments one person got all over the tier for not following the recipe as it was originally written, I do mean he was really upset by it. It just struck me as real strange that anyone get that bent out of shape for another persons version on something so unimportant, in the grand scheme of things I mean.
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There's a great phrase that will get you through this conundrum:

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Lol. I love it and am living it.
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Nice flies Bruce, they look fishy to me but what do I know! I'm no fish! The first one looks like a chubby copper john variant to my inexperienced eyes?
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Hi Bruce,

I see from your location that you live in the heartland of traditional fly tying. Although I have no problems with variants on themes when it comes to making flies I do believe that the old school patterns have much to offer. By 'offer' I mean to say that however we may try, certain things simply can't be improved upon. By learning to tie such patterns as the Ginger Quill or Gorden Quill we learn important lessons in the age old art of proportioning and detail found in the traditional dry fly construction. The same may be said for the nymph or wet fly but there seems a greater leeway with these styles even when we look at them in a historic context.

Whether we as new age tiers strive to replicate something that has been a standard for generations or if we set out to create styles on our own, the benchmarks made through the workings of our fly tying fore bearers are valuable examples of the craft. Often we strive to break the mold of conformation and to assert or make a statement of individuality but we should try to remember that many patterns have been tried and proven over many years. If I or you wish to actually claim to be skilled fly tiers we should have mastered the patterns that laid the foundation on which we are building our claims on. At that point we are free to vary the themes to our hearts content without fear of being ridiculed for our creativity.

New combinations of color & materials surface every day, probably in numbers that would boggle the mind given the popularity of fly tying. It is pretty cool to be able to flash a box that contains a well tied compilation of traditional patterns as well as one who's contents are of your own design. So I guess what I meant to say was; variations are cool but knowing the old school ties is cool too
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