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Why is it the simplest fly, the one that falls apart the quickest?

Am I doing something wrong? Poor material selection?

My San Juan worms never seem to want to stay together very long. After a few fish and casts, the chenille wants to "unwind" or come off the core.

Does anybody else have this problem? I'm using all different brands and colors, but they never seem to be as durable as other flys in my arsenal.

Good thing they are an easy and quick tie since they tend to fall apart much quicker! But is sure is a pain in the butt having to tie on another fly after only a few fish!
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Default Re: Fly durability...

quick tip for sealing the end of San Juan Chenille is to lightly burn the end of the material. This has a dual effect, binds the chenille, and creates the look of the head of a worm/maggot with darker material.
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quick tip for sealing the end of San Juan Chenille is to lightly burn the end of the material.
If you're not doing this already, then it will help, but fact is, chenille is not a very durable material for this purpose. But, it's what most folks use, because it seems to have the best action. Using "ultra" type chenilles, which are denser than regular chenille helps too.

Chenilles are fine for wrapping bodies, like on Woolly Buggers, but for free form purposes, they don't hold up well.

I've even tried to add some twist to the chenille, twisting it more tightly in my fingers, then adding a drop of super glue gel near where I want the end to be, then once the glue dries cutting off the excess. This helps too, but they still come unraveled, and you don't get the same affect as the burning.

You can double the chenille & twist it over itself, but that makes a larger diameter worm, not well suited for smaller size hooks. The only other way to make worms more durable, without adding a lot of bulk, is to use another material for the extended section, like chamois and color it with permanent markers. Unfortunately, you won't likely get the color as nice as what you get with chenille!
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x2 for what others said. But if you're catching fish, burning through some easy to tie flies isn't too bad a price to pay
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quick tip for sealing the end of San Juan Chenille is to lightly burn the end of the material. This has a dual effect, binds the chenille, and creates the look of the head of a worm/maggot with darker material.
Yep, doing that already, it just seems to fall apart at where it's tied to the hook.
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Yep, doing that already, it just seems to fall apart at where it's tied to the hook.
Is it possible that the thread is to fine or your wrapping it too tite and cutting the chenille?

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Is it possible that the thread is to fine or your wrapping it too tite and cutting the chenille?

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Maybe...but I thought you could never wrap it too tight? Considering I'm fastening it to the hook, I thought tighter is better...I guess I could try some with a little less pressure.

I'm using a 140 and a 70 thread for mine. The 70 is for my micros that are tied to a size 18.
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Default Re: Fly durability...

What about laying down an even thread base and placing a thin coat of Flexament or silicone on it, then placing the chenille on top of that and letting it dry a bit before tying it down?
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