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Old 11-22-2012, 01:45 PM
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Default Hook size FYI

I recently bought hooks of a different brand than I normally do, and I did it on-line. I bought them in a different brand because Mustad stopped making them. The reason I bring this up is that their ideas of a 1/0 hook are radically different. I have run into this before, but this was the worst case of it I have ever seen. Here are the Mustad and Daiichi hooks side by side. Both companies call them a 1/0 hook.
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I just ordered the Daiichi hooks in a 5/0. When they arrive I will post a photo of them side by side. These are the hooks I use most for my Pike flies. If any of you have run across a situation like this, maybe you could post it here so nobody ends up with hooks the wrong size for what they want.
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I've run into this before, but not nearly to that big of a difference, it will interesting to see the comparison of the 5/0 hook.

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Old 11-22-2012, 02:31 PM
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Big difference! I've seen it with SW hooks before especially steel compared to wire . I wonder how a 1/0 SW hook would look next to those 2?
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Default Re: Hook size FYI

I mentioned these in your other thread. I said the Daiichi hooks are the same size as the Gamakatsu hooks, but looking at them side by side I can see the #6 Daiichi hooks are actually a bit smaller that the #8 Gamakatsu hooks.

I was tying some stuff with the Gamas and wanted something a bit bigger so I bought the Daiichi hooks. I did not get what I was hoping for.

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Dan

I've run into this before, but not nearly to that big of a difference, it will interesting to see the comparison of the 5/0 hook.

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Yah, I had seen it before, but this was ridiculous. I have the 37187's in a size 10 that are closer to the same size as the Daiihci, than the two 1/0's are. It kind of seems like these are arbitrary size denominations. Not much in the way of industry standards.

Mudbug, your hooks look like they have the sizes reversed don't they? I wonder if it is just Daiichi has a habit of going smaller than everyone else.
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Default Re: Hook size FYI

I see it in the different style steelhead irons its not as much as what you have pictured there but enough that I noticed. I imagine for the folks fishing the NY tribs it could end up a sticky situation with the hook gape regulations.
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Default Re: Hook size FYI

I've seen it enough times, that I buy one brand...one type anymore. You guys may laugh, but I use Eagle Claw Aberdeens for my streamers and poppers. American made too!
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You guys may laugh, but I use Eagle Claw Aberdeens for my streamers and poppers. American made too!
I would never laugh at that! ( serious face) I use them in my Clousers and have for a few years now. I use pliars to bend the eye down. I can bend them out enough to save them when I hook up on the bottom, unless I hook the eyes. I've caught Pike as big as 43 inches on them and not lost a single fish to them straightening out. But they have saved me a countless number of flies.
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All but the top Clouser on the left are on #2 Aberdeen hooks. They are all on Aberdeens though. Some are up to 1/0.
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Default Re: Hook size FYI

Well I guess the size difference by brands has been going on for a long time! Been reading Flies by J Edson Leonard written in 1950. He has several hook size charts featuring Allcock hooks and Mustads . The hooks per size by each brand are clearly different with the Mustads being larger in all categories. Funny thing is he's got a diagram of the standard gauge for hooks on the opposing page from the two brand pictures!
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Default Re: Hook size FYI

only when the fly tying hook industry adopts any kind of standards will one companies hooks equal another companies hooks regarding sizes.

is it possible the daiichi hooks were mislabeled? its a possibility
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