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pkins44 01-04-2013 02:26 AM

How do my clousers look?
 
Just trying to get some constructive criticism on hook, size, style and construction. I want to make sure I am doing it right.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jlmQbAVjfk...0/IMG_0221.jpg

I'm thinking a few of them may look a little sickly.

brookfieldangler 01-04-2013 09:26 AM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Generally, they look pretty good.

I have figured out that I like to tie mine on a bit longer hook. I typically like 2x long or 3x long.

Also, I have a preference for straight eye hooks instead of down turned.

The material choice is interesting but I have to say that the most successful clousers for me on the river around us, are the basic deer hairs.

Finally, proportionally speaking, I like the top color (or darker color)to be about 50% of the bottom color (lighter).

Oh yeah...don't forget, the sparser the better :secret:

jaybo41 01-04-2013 11:46 AM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
+1 to what brookfield said. Straight eye is my preference and go sparse. Less is more because less materials means more movement and thus life. Fish them and let the fish decide:)

Here's how to do it from the master himself.


Rip Tide 01-04-2013 12:03 PM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Yeah, Lefty describes the amount of material on a Clouser minnow as being the thickness "of a barn burner match"

Of course Diver Dan ties his thicker than his mustache and seems to make a good account of himself :rolleyes:

dean_mt 01-04-2013 02:05 PM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Don't forget that your down-eye hook will actually be an up-eye hook when fishing the clouser. The weight of the eye flips the hook so it would be easier to look at them and critique if you photographed them in their proper orientation, white belly on the bottom. Anyway, sorry to nitpick, they just look funny like that. And if you tie on with an open loop knot, like the non-slip mono, then the up/down/straight eye matters less.

bigjim5589 01-04-2013 03:41 PM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Generally, as the others have said, they look good & will get eaten by most anything you toss them at. But, I'm going to nit pick too a little. :rolleyes:

Below are a couple I tied. Notice how the front is made, with the material extending past the eyes, and the thread wraps are at the very front against the hook eye. They are not wrapped against the barbell eyes at the front of the head. This is how they're shown in Bob Clousers book, and how he ties them. Most that you'll see in catalogs are tied with the thread wrapped against the barbells or whatever type eyes are used (bead chain sometimes). This is not to say, it's wrong, but first, it takes less thread wraps to complete the fly, and second, it produces a different profile look.

Either way will catch fish, but my point here is that you can get a different look to the same fly with this one tiny detail. I don't think you can go wrong doing what the originator of the fly does either! :)

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...9/100_4521.jpg

Here's the front cover of the book "Clouser's Flies"! Notice the head? :)
http://www.flyfishohio.com/images/Cl...lies(450p).JPG

pkins44 01-04-2013 06:58 PM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Thanks to everyone with the help! I am new to tying and just want to check with more seasoned tiers to make sure it is done right. I did not expect so much feedback though.:teef: I appreciate all the advice and agree more work is needed. Think less is more, straight eye hook, proper materials (I'll stop being lazy and go to bps) and try using the proper tying technique. The latter usually helps I hear. Again thanks everyone for the help.

jaybo41 01-04-2013 08:35 PM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
That's one of the beautiful things about this forum. You will find super helpful people with experience to share on virtually every aspect of fly fishing. Just a couple of additional thoughts to share.

I posted the link to Bob Clouser's video so that you can see how he does it. Obviously it's a proven pattern and I did that intentionally so you can see how he does it for perspective. When I am tying a new to me pattern, I usually like to see the "traditional" way a pattern is tied. Then once I get comfortable with the pattern, I may tweak it.

Don't be afraid to experiment with different materials and techniques when you are tying flies--the Clouser or any other method. Sometimes it's those subtle tweaks you make that are all the difference in the world for the places you fish. Honestly, that's one of the coolest things about tying. I can tie patterns that I know work that you just can't find online or in a fly shop. I find this very rewarding to hand those off to people and watch them land fish, not to mention land some myself.

I've been tying for 13 years or so now and am constantly learning from the folks here, tying videos, instructional seminars, etc. There are so many layers to fly fishing, tying is one of them with so many layers itself. Stick with it and keep up the good tying!

mcphoto 01-06-2013 02:57 AM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Lookin' good! Keep up the good work. I prefer to keep the Clouser a bit more sparse. Sometime I feel that less is more when it comes to patterns like the clouser in an attempt to elicit more movement.

pkins44 01-06-2013 03:13 AM

Re: How do my clousers look?
 
Just got done tying a few flies up I think they look better and follow the rule "less is more".

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...29675288_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...59507795_n.jpg

Thanks again for all the help.


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