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Old 01-07-2013, 04:12 PM
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Default Foam for shiny, green beetles

Hey, anyone have a tip for making that shiny, great-looking emerald green beetle foam? Do you just glue something on top of a sheet of green foam?

Those beetles kill bluegill around here, and nearly anywhere in this region I'd have to imagine .

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Old 01-07-2013, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: Foam for shiny, green beetles

Not sure about making it at home, but many shops carry a product that's called Loco Foam- foam with a metallic or pearlescent coating on one side.

Here's one example: Loco Foam | mudhole.com

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Old 01-07-2013, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: Foam for shiny, green beetles

Peacock herl is a great body material with that iridescent sheen, but not so good for wings or backs. I did just see a new material in the shop that is a thin-skin type of sheet, it is not rubber or foam, almost like a very thin, crinkly mylar paper. It comes in different colors but has that iridescent quality. You could fold it over peacock or foam or whatever. I don't remember what it was called though.

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Not sure about making it at home, but many shops carry a product that's called Loco Foam- foam with a metallic or pearlescent coating on one side.

Here's one example: Loco Foam | mudhole.com

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It might have been one of the Loco products. I'd try some wide pearl mylar first, it's a lot cheaper and it is great looking stuff. It comes on spools in a variety of widths, I love it for ribs and tags and under bodies. What makes the pearl so versatile is that it reflects the color under it, so you can a lot of color effects out of it with different materials under it.

And it comes in a 1" strip too.

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Default Re: Foam for shiny, green beetles

turbineblade: Silver is probably correct about the fish not seeing the top of the fly anyway, but I guess this probably falls in the category of catching the fisherman more than the fish. LOL!
I like to tie foam beetles using the loco foam called "Oil Slick", Joni turned me on to that material a couple years ago. The way I fish ants and beetles is in a dry/dropper arrangement where I use a large parachute adams as the lead fly with an ant or beetle as a dropper, that way I can at least see one of the flies (normally all I see is the parachute adams), but I find that the strikes are about 50/50 and can make for a really fun afternoon fishing.
In the middle row of this photo are foam beetles tied with the Oil Slick foam.
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Old 01-07-2013, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: Foam for shiny, green beetles

There's another product out there...I believe it's called Medallion sheeting- basically pearlescent mylar film dyed to all sorts of colors. You may be able to glue it to a craft foam backing with some Super 77/spray adhesive, although I'm not sure whether it'd be cheaper than Loco Foam.

You may want to check some craft stores too, they may have some sort of mylar film as well.
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Default Re: Foam for shiny, green beetles

Is it 100% true that fish don't see anything other than the very bottom of the fly? Nearly every pattern I see with stuff sticking all over it would be useless if that's the case -- adding deer hair to the "back" of a hopper or cicada for example.

I just looked at the ones I bought from a local tyer, and some of the shiny green side peeks through the bottom of the beetle, so perhaps that serves as an attractant?

I dunno -- I'll definitely take your advice on it -- I'm a new tyer and fly fisherman .

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Is it 100% true that fish don't see anything other than the very bottom of the fly? Nearly every pattern I see with stuff sticking all over it would be useless if that's the case -- adding deer hair to the "back" of a hopper or cicada for example.

I just looked at the ones I bought from a local tyer, and some of the shiny green side peeks through the bottom of the beetle, so perhaps that serves as an attractant?

I dunno -- I'll definitely take your advice on it -- I'm a new tyer and fly fisherman .

Thanks,
One thing you have to consider with flies like beetles and ants is that they probably don't always land perfectly right side up on every cast and they are so small I can't see them anyway and it probably doesn't really matter all that much. One thing I have never liked about certain fly patterns is that they don't always land or float right side up, but rather floating on their sides. That is why I like the x-caddis pattern over the elk hair caddis pattern. If you have a fly where the shiny material peeks through to the bottom it would certainly act as an attractant.

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Default Re: Foam for shiny, green beetles

Okay, thanks Larry. I fish about 90% of the time for warmwater fish, but I occasionally fish for trout and thus and trying to learn some trout patterns....including the elk hair caddis soon. I'll take your advice and look into the X pattern you mentioned.

Those oil slick beetles look cool!

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Is it 100% true that fish don't see anything other than the very bottom of the fly? Nearly every pattern I see with stuff sticking all over it would be useless if that's the case -- adding deer hair to the "back" of a hopper or cicada for example.

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Hi turbinblade,

I deleted my original post. I didn't want to be over critical.

Regarding the deer hair on a hopper pattern, most of these patterns have the deer hair splayed so that it overhangs the side and sometimes the back of the pattern. In this case, the fish does see the hair. Not only does the fish see the hair, but the splayed hair can simulate the fluttering of the hopper's wings. So I am a believer that deer hair or elk hair helps simulate the real thing.

You did say that some of the purchased beetle patterns do show the shinny coating from the bottom, if so, I think it would help some. For my patterns, I use crystal chenille. For the floating beetle, a black foam shell then goes over that and I also use rubber legs for a little motion.

I sometimes add glass bead head, the color is "kaleidescope", which is a bead that reflects multiple colors.

I tie both a dry and a drowned beetle pattern. They are below. The shell of the drowned beetle is black naugahyde. Both patterns have the glass bead head, with the drowned beetle on the left and the floating pattern on the right.

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Here is the underside.

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Overexposed to show the crystal flash chenille

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