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kglissmeyer1 01-15-2013 09:20 AM

What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
Those who know me here understand that I am not one to stir the pot. I like my forums to be congenial and friendly and I usually avoid discussion conflicts.

That being said, I am not trying to stir something up with this thread, nevertheless, inquiring minds want to know, me being one of them...

So, my question is this: Since most nymph anglers fish to much the same species of fish that Tenkara anglers do - usually trout, what is the difference between "Tenkara" flies and why? If we fish to the same species by putting some sort of food imitation in front of them, enticing them to eat, why is there a definite differentiation between regular trout fishing nymphs and Tenkara fishing nymphs? Aren't we imitating regular aquatic insects with our imitations? Why not use the same imitations? Perhaps tenkara anglers do use the same bugs, but it sure seems like there are a lot of new ties that are specifically called "Tenkara" flies. I also understand the concept of having a more heavily weighted fly involved in tenkara angling, but I do the same when nymph fishing all the time.

Just wondering...

Now, you all know the rules. No debates here regarding who likes what method more and why, or which method is best and why. Just a civil discussion to answer my inquiring mind.

Thanks,

Kelly.

shotgunfly 01-15-2013 09:56 AM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
Good question. I'm just getting into Tenkara and posted the question over at the TenkaraUSA forum. I'll report back soon. I don't see much of a difference.

I asked the same question about some dry flies (not the one's with the reverse hackles). I mean these just look like tiny ants. The answer I got (which I can't remember) was evidently there IS a difference in how they sit in the water...sure looked like a regular dry fly terrestrial to me.

Back in a jiff....

williamhj 01-15-2013 09:59 AM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
People using Tenkara rods can and do use the same flies as most of us would use when targeting trout. There's no reason they can't. I think traditional Tenkara flies were developed in Japan by the Japanese using using tenkara rods. From what I've read, their purpose is to be easy to tie and entice strikes rather than imitate specific insects. The reverse hackle can create great action underwater and the flies can be dead drifted or pulsed, pulled, etc in the water. You can use tenkara flies on western fly rods and western flies on tenkara rods. If you want you can use a hook with a worm on either, it's up to you.

mikel 01-15-2013 10:56 AM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by williamhj (Post 516494)
People using Tenkara rods can and do use the same flies as most of us would use when targeting trout. There's no reason they can't. I think traditional Tenkara flies were developed in Japan by the Japanese using using tenkara rods. From what I've read, their purpose is to be easy to tie and entice strikes rather than imitate specific insects. The reverse hackle can create great action underwater and the flies can be dead drifted or pulsed, pulled, etc in the water. You can use tenkara flies on western fly rods and western flies on tenkara rods. If you want you can use a hook with a worm on either, it's up to you.

That about wraps it up

littledavid123 01-15-2013 11:14 AM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
Tenkara sounds exotic, specialized, as opposed to saying your a nympher. :D

Dave

tbblom 01-16-2013 10:48 AM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
The only time I tried tenkara was on a little creek when I forgot my reel.
I tied a leader to the end of my 3wt and caught a ton of little browns using a dry dropper setup. I can't see why standard flies wouldn't work just fine.
ALthough I do want to tie some reverse hackles to see how they work...

silver creek 01-16-2013 11:56 AM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
Truth be told, the earliest record of fly fishing was dapping which is the basis of Tenkara.

The earliest account of what could be interpreted as fly fishing is from 200 AD.

"They fasten red (crimson red) wool around a hook, and fix onto the wool two feathers which grow under a cock’s wattles, and which in colour are like wax. Their rod is six feet long, and their line is the same length. Then they throw their snare, and the fish, attracted and maddened by the colour, comes straight at it, thinking from the pretty sight to gain a dainty mouthful; when, however, it opens its jaws, it is caught by the hook, and enjoys a bitter repast, a captive."

Fly Fishing History: Ælian

So this is not a recent form of fly fishing but the earliest form of fly fishing. Casting a fly line is not mentioned until about 1500 years later.

kglissmeyer1 01-16-2013 12:44 PM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
I'm okay with and understand the mechanics behind Tenkara, but just wondering about why there is a niche for "tenkara" flies. It seems to me that in the end we are all just trying to imitate what the fish are eating and then entice them to eat our offering, so it is a bit confusing for me to see the need for a 'specialized' tenkara fly when so many other patterns already fill the bill. Not knocking it, just wondering.

Thanks all for the great answers. I am a bit more enlightened.

Kelly.

silver creek 01-16-2013 01:04 PM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
I think the advantage of Tenkara is that you can manipulate the fly lifting and dapping it with greater accuracy than a cast with a shorter fly rod. What it comes down to, as it always does, is presentation.

Any advantage in fish catching must come down to the fact that in certain fishing situations a tenkara outfit presents the flies more easily and with greater precision than a standard outfit.

I just listened to a talk by George Daniel, author of Dynamic Nymphing, and a former member and coach of the US National Fly Fishing Team. He was in Madison, Wi this past weekend.

Icebreaker

The question of tenkara came up, and he said he nymph fishes tenkara just like he does with his euronymphing set up. He uses a sighter and the same flies.

Here is a post about it on a Tenkara BB

Tenkara USA • View topic - George Daniel on Tenkara

kglissmeyer1 01-16-2013 01:10 PM

Re: What Is The Difference...and Why?
 
Thanks, silver! As always, you come through and I am better informed. I appreciate the links and the great info. Now, what to do? Hmmm...:rolleyes:

Kelly.


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