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Old 02-19-2013, 03:09 PM
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Hey - just to double check, the hacke should be oriented "forward" on the griffith's gnat right? And on the adams dry fly (and other similar dries) the hackle is oriented "backward" right?

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Default Re: hackle direction griffith's gnat

IMHO it is a matter of personal preference. On the Gnat, I do prefer it facing forward
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Default Re: hackle direction griffith's gnat

Dries should always be straight up/down. For the griffith's i just tie it in however, they are usually destroyed after 3-4 fish eat em.
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Hey - just to double check, the hacke should be oriented "forward" on the griffith's gnat right? And on the adams dry fly (and other similar dries) the hackle is oriented "backward" right?

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What do you mean by forward and backward?

I refer to hackle by the convex or concave side. Charlie Craven calls this the outside or inside of the feather meaning the side that faces away or toward the skin.

Using this description, I tie both flies so the convex (outside) side of the hackle faces forward on both flies.
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Default Re: hackle direction griffith's gnat

Oh, I meant it like this --

If the hooks is in the vise like normal -- with the hook eye on the right, hook bend on the left -- then the hackle "forward" would look like this:

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Backward would look like this:

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In the "forward" position (which is the same position used for those tenkara flies) it looks like you have a tendency to trap the fibers when doing the whip finish.

So it doesn't matter which way the hackle is wound? Cool. I was just curious if it mattered.

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Also, do griffith's gnats float as well as something like an adams dry fly? I know people tend to throw midges in more slow water, but I was thinking it *might work as a generic dry fly imitation in a pinch.
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Default Re: hackle direction griffith's gnat

Tenkara flies intentionally have the hackle stroked and tied in so they face forward. They call it "reverse" hackling for a reason.

For the standard dry fly, you want the hackle at a right angle to the hook shank. Whether the natural curve of the hackle faces forward or backward is less of a concern, but I prefer the natural curve to face forward so that the fly is more aerodynamic. It just looks better to me.

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Oh, I meant it like this --

If the hooks is in the vise like normal -- with the hook eye on the right, hook bend on the left -- then the hackle "forward" would look like this:

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

In the "forward" position (which is the same position used for those tenkara flies) it looks like you have a tendency to trap the fibers when doing the whip finish.
You whip finish behind the hackle and not behind the eye on a tenkara fly.

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For some brilliant hackling technique that is robust and very neat, please see Richard Ward's blog for his Derbyshire flybox and SBS

Dry Fly 'Expert': Double Badger

His double badger is an excellent GG alternative, and the hackling technique is well worth using. I tie almost all of my little dries with the thread coming back through the hackle to whip finish on the head. Robust, durable and easy.
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