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Old 03-07-2013, 08:45 AM
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I did a quick search about using glue to make quills more robust yet keeping them flexible.....and found almost nothing on this matter.

For many years now, I have been applying rubber cement (the stuff to repair inner tubes) to my turkey quills, crow quills, etc.

I buy the glue in the small metal container that also sports a brush to apply the glue. I apply the glue to the inside portion of the quill until the quill is well soaked.

I then let each quill dry separately buy sticking the quill in a block of styrofoam. Unfortunately, the glue never really dries out because if you accidentally touch the quills together, they will immediately stick to each other. However, for hoppers and many other flies, quill sections can be applied in such a way that they do not come in contact with one another.

The nice thing about using rubber cement is the fact that the quill stays flexible but the fibers of each quill section will not separate.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:00 AM
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in the past ive used the spray fixative like that shown above but no longer bother

daves flexament would be good too

eventually the fibers are going to separate no matter what might be used. fish teeth will tear them up
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Which is why I don't bother with married wings or the overly fancy salmon flies unless I tie them mixed wing style.
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Default Re: gluing quills

One of the big problems is when you cast a fly with any type of "fixatiff" sprayed/brushed on the wing, it ends up twisting your tippet because air can't pass through the fibers- it's too solid.

If you're using this on a wet fly, it's a bit less of a problem because the wing/wingcase it tighter to the body of the fly, so it doesn't catch as much air on the cast.

I treat the reverse side of turkey and duck quills used for wingcases on nymphs and for wet flies like the Leadwing Coachman and McGinty by spraying them with good 'ol cheap Aqua Net hairspray =)

Use a clothespin to attach a few quills to a wire hanger, hang them up outside, give them a couple of sprays on the reverse side and let them air dry. Only problem I've had is explaining to my daughters why I had a can of hair spray on the shelf near my tying desk
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improperly tied fly will spin, not because of a spray or thin glue. if quills alowed air to pass through birds could not fly !!
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Default Re: gluing quills

ummm not exactly =) they have a sort of 'velcro' type deal going on that allows the fibers to join, but not rigidly. That's how you're able to produce married wings from varied segments. But if you look *CLOSELY* at the fibers, air does get through them.
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Default Re: gluing quills

Before using rubber cement, I tried many different glues and sprays. The reason for this is that I make a lot of flies like muddlers, hoppers and caddis flies and also to repair split jungle cock. My first attempts were just with fly tying cement (lacquer). The stuff was just too brittle and the quills did quickly split anyway. I tried spray type glues for paper....just not strong enough.

BTW, hairspray gets quickly dissolved in water.

Contact cement is pretty good and is great for repairing jungle cock but takes longer to dry than rubber cement.

Anyway, rubber cement for repairing inner tubes has been the best stuff I have used so far. The quills and feathers remain flexible and if someone does handle the quills, they do not at first realize that the quills have been treated.

This coming summer, I will post photos of some flies tied with quills after they have caught 3 or 4 dozen trout.

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Before using rubber cement, I tried many different glues and sprays. The reason for this is that I make a lot of flies like muddlers, hoppers and caddis flies and also to repair split jungle cock. My first attempts were just with fly tying cement (lacquer). The stuff was just too brittle and the quills did quickly split anyway. I tried spray type glues for paper....just not strong enough.

BTW, hairspray gets quickly dissolved in water.

Contact cement is pretty good and is great for repairing jungle cock but takes longer to dry than rubber cement.

Anyway, rubber cement for repairing inner tubes has been the best stuff I have used so far. The quills and feathers remain flexible and if someone does handle the quills, they do not at first realize that the quills have been treated.

This coming summer, I will post photos of some flies tied with quills after they have caught 3 or 4 dozen trout.

I've never noticed any problems with my flies twisting my leaders.
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