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Old 03-08-2013, 06:15 AM
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Default Re: Down eye vs straight eye

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Just personal perspective here, but I'll take a pass with down eye hooks, especially the small ones. All that eye does is fill in the gape between between shaft/hook point.
Thats part of my reason for using 2488 style hooks


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For jollies take three hooks (up/down/straight) and attach a couple of foot of leader. Put hook around a round bit of something (pencil, chop stick, what-ever) and do a straight pull. Where does that hook point go under tension?
Without doing it, down, up, down. Correct Fred?
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For jollies take three hooks (up/down/straight) and attach a couple of foot of leader. Put hook around a round bit of something (pencil, chop stick, what-ever) and do a straight pull. Where does that hook point go under tension?
Depends whether the leader is tied to the eye (with a knot like the Clinch) or the shank (with a knot like the Turle).
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I think about the bend of hooks more than whether its up or down eye.
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If you get to tying the tiny stuff, say #22 and smaller, you may prefer a straight eye. A bit easier to form a neat head and less obstruction to the gape.
This is often repeated but not true. How does a down eye hook narrow the "gape/gap" which is define as the distance from the hook point to the shank? Whether the hook is large or small, the gap remains that defined measurement.

The material tied on the hook opposite the hook point is what narrows the hooking gap. so for small hooks, use minimalist techniques to preserve the hook gap.

What limits the ability of the fly to "hook" fish are:

1. The width of the hook gap.

2. The alignment of the hook point with the hook shank.

Therefore, to improve the hooking ratio, you can:

1. Widen the hook gap by using a wide gap hook to tie the fly.

2. Offset the hook point to one side of the hook point. When the fish closes his mouth on the fly, the offset point will be pointing toward the flesh. Bending the hook point a bit to the side on the stream will improve the hooking ratio when you are missing fish.

On tiny hooks, the hook eye becomes a more significant part of the fly silhouette. It occupies a greater proportion of the hook length and a straight eye hook adds to that appearance. The hook eye adds to the appearance of a longer body and needs to be considered when matching a hatch of small insects.

After replying to a post about hook sizing on another BB, I sent a photo I used to Gary Borger. His blog post about hook sizing and including the eye of the hook in the length of small flies to match insect sizes is below.

Note that the hook eye adds 20 - 25% to the length of these size 16 length hooks. That is a significant difference in length as the fish perceives the pattern to be.

Gary Borger Blog Archive All Hooks are Not Created Equal
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