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Old 04-20-2013, 02:44 AM
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Default Whip finisher destroying my thread.

I have been having an issue when tying with 70 denier thread with my whip finisher fraying the thread out to the point that it breaks before I can get the know tightened up. I don't seem to have much of an issue with my 140 threads. I can't see any burs or any particular reason why it would be doing this. Does anyone else have ideas, or the same issue? There is nothing more frustrating than tying a nice fly to be proud of, and then having the last step screw it up.

Honestly at this point I would be willing to spend $20 on a tool that doesn't do this. I would like to find a ceramic coated one, but can't seem to find one. The one I am using now is the Terra standard brass whip finisher.
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Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

Hi,

I've never had such a problem, how many twists do you put on your whip knots? I tie everything with Uni or Orvis 6/0 and 8/0 thread, is yours thinner than that?

My only advice would be to finish by hand. It is not as difficult as you may think, however I do prefer a tool for most tying.
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Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

I use the cheapest and simplest whip finisher on the market. Made by Sunrise and sells for under 5 dollars. Been using them for close to 40 years. I'm on my second one now. Never had a problem.

I've never had a problem with my cheap bobbins either.
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Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

The only time I have issues breaking thread on a whip finish is when I wrap it more than 3 or 4 times before tightening. I usually only go 3 or less, normally 2 and do a couple if I want it to be extra secure.
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3-4 half hitches, head cement and i'm off fishing. knots dont come undone.

never could get used to a whip finish tool or even by hand

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Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

Yep; new tyer here and have had the same problem with small threads trying to do the 5 turns; try 3 or 4 as suggested.
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Sounds like these guys have you set. Do 2-3 turns and add some SHHAN.
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I have been using this ancient artifact since 1974 and have never had a problem with the tool fraying or breaking the thread ( down to Tiemco 16/0 )...

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...however, operator error on a number of occasions, has caused thread breakage...


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Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

70 denier polyester thread breaks at 13 -15 oz tension. I think your whip finisher may be scored. You can also change to a bonded thread that is less likely to fray like Uni 8/0 that is a bonded 72 denier polyester threat that breaks at 15 oz.

I would toss the cheap whip finisher and:

1. Get a Matarelli style whip finisher.

4. I use 5 turns. If you use 2/3 turns, place them back to back.
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Default Re: Whip finisher destroying my thread.

I like the materelli style myself. I used the older style for many many years and did not have any problems, but the materelli style is just easier and I think less likely to bust thread. I generally do 4 or 5 wraps, but do it twice unless it's a tiny tiny fly. In that case I only do 3 or so and still do it twice.

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