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Old 12-10-2013, 06:52 PM
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Default Simi Seal vs Senyo laser dub vs SLF blends

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I'm still a beginning fly tyer and have experimented with some laser dub on various flies. I just heard about simi seal, but could anybody tell me how it differs from senyo laser dub or from whitlock's SLF blends? I have a bunch of senyo laser dub and Whitlock SLF dubbing, so I was wondering what benefit it would be to get some simi seal as well to add to the fly tying material bin or if they are all interchangeable except for colors. Thanks in advance.
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Simi seal is cut longer and at least to me, has a bit more stiffness than laser dub. The SLF blends I've seen/have are shorter than the Simi Seal. Simi Seal is to me very similar to goat angora dubbing if you're familiar with that.

I use laser dub on streamers to make a head of the fly, but I wouldn't dream of using either on a simi seal leech. For those, I use Arizona Simi Seal and get it straight from the man.

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Default Re: Simi Seal vs Senyo laser dub vs SLF blends

I tie a lot of Simi Seal leechs and buggers because I like the color mixes, especially the "blood leach". Haven't used the others so I can't compare.
Oh, the Simi Seal really picks out well with a brush.
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Some of my best days last winter were from stripping simi seal leeches... Such a deadly pattern... I use the real deal Arizona Simi Seal... Link posted above... The blood leech blend is amazing... So are his different black blends... Just plain old black being my favorite color followed closely by chartreuse. Dubs well onto line for tighter nymph bodies or like Jimmie points out when done in a dubbing loop and brushed out with some Velcro... It creates one lively looking leech under the surface
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Buy from John, the price is great and the service better.

But just so you know, Simi Seal is a blend of Angora and synthetic flash.

So in theory mixing Lazer Dub and Angora would get you close.
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Default Re: Simi Seal vs Senyo laser dub vs SLF blends

I've found use for all three in different applications. The simi-seal I've used has been the coarsest of the three, and I've used it in a dubbing loop mostly for leeches, stoneflies, and other instances where I wanted a spiky, buggy body. Laser dub is pretty soft, and I use it frequently for wool-head streamers. SLF seems to be the "sparkliest," and I use it a lot for the abdomens of caddis larvae and emergers, psycho princes, scuds, soft hackles and other bug bodies.
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All of the John Rohmer products are unique and have a lot of interesting applications. Simi Seal may be used as dubbing alone or mixed with various furs...just chop it and put it in a dubbing blender. I use it for buggers, thoraxes, scuds, emerger shucks...etc. The AZ synthetic dubbing is great for thoraxes, abdomens and may also be mixed. I also use AZ Diamond Hair, which was designed for minnow patterns, for thoraxes on many small may fly, caddis and midge patterns...I don't know of anyone else who uses Diamond Hair for those purposes but I must say that I have experienced some great results with it...

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Default Re: Simi Seal vs Senyo laser dub vs SLF blends

Thanks for the info. I think I'll get one of his dubbinizer boxes and experiment a bit. I'll google around for how to tie leech patterns with it.
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All of the John Rohmer products are unique and have a lot of interesting applications. Simi Seal may be used as dubbing alone or mixed with various furs...just chop it and put it in a dubbing blender. I use it for buggers, thoraxes, scuds, emerger shucks...etc. The AZ synthetic dubbing is great for thoraxes, abdomens and may also be mixed. I also use AZ Diamond Hair, which was designed for minnow patterns, for thoraxes on many small may fly, caddis and midge patterns...I don't know of anyone else who uses Diamond Hair for those purposes but I must say that I have experienced some great results with it...
John has AZ Sparkle Dub which I believe is just Simi Seal cut shorter.
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Buy from John, the price is great and the service better.

But just so you know, Simi Seal is a blend of Angora and synthetic flash.

So in theory mixing Lazer Dub and Angora would get you close.
I placed an order with John and had my order in no time. I think it was about 2 to 3 days tops. He's in AZ and I'm in PA. Hard to beat that. The quality of his materials is wonderful and you're right, great prices too.
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