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Old 04-28-2014, 07:13 PM
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Default Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

I used a large brass cone head on a size 8 3x long hook and the thing seems to turn over in the water.... Is the cone size the issue?
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Default Re: Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

What do you mean by turn over, does it twist your leader?
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Default Re: Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

Hmm. How well balanced is the material at the head of the fly (just behind the cone)? Is there too much material on one side that might be turning it?

I suspected that was happening on flies that I wrapped cross cut rabbit strips on. If I built up too much material on a side it would ruin the action on the fly…making it flip upside down.

Is that large cone head evenly centered on the shank? Is it turned down?

Can you post a photo of the fly?
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Default Re: Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

Hard to say exactly why you're having this problem, but an imbalance issue as shotgunfly has said may be the most likely reason. If you used that cone to get more weight, then try using a more appropriate sized cone & adding additional weight along the hook shank in the form of lead wire or non-lead wire as you would choose.

Cones & beads & such can fit a range of hook sizes & not cause problems, but if there's an extreme difference in the sizing & fit, it's certainly possible to create an imbalance.
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Default Re: Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

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I used a large brass cone head on a size 8 3x long hook and the thing seems to turn over in the water.... Is the cone size the issue?
please explain your statement

seems to turn over in the water - how and which direction

is the cone size the issue - very possible. depending on how little body materials are there to sorta balance the the fly

a picture is worth a thousand words

here is a web page of charts to bookmark (use only as a guide - nothng carved in stone)

H&H Beads/Eyes/Dumbells

a cone or bead is symmetrical about the hook shank and shouldnt be able to invert the fly into a hook point up direction unless the cone is too big in size and just doesnt fit the hook it was intended for. small hole end is way to sloppy on the hook shank making the cone offset to one side.

to ensure the cone stays inline with the hook shank try this method. the number of lead wraps shown is not really needed but its entirely up to the tyers

Click the image to open in full size.

if the hole is too big the cone could rest SIMILAR to this one

Click the image to open in full size.
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Default Re: Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

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please explain your statement

seems to turn over in the water - how and which direction

is the cone size the issue - very possible. depending on how little body materials are there to sorta balance the the fly

a picture is worth a thousand words

here is a web page of charts to bookmark (use only as a guide - nothng carved in stone)

H&H Beads/Eyes/Dumbells

a cone or bead is symmetrical about the hook shank and shouldnt be able to invert the fly into a hook point up direction unless the cone is too big in size and just doesnt fit the hook it was intended for. small hole end is way to sloppy on the hook shank making the cone offset to one side.

to ensure the cone stays inline with the hook shank try this method. the number of lead wraps shown is not really needed but its entirely up to the tyers

Click the image to open in full size.

if the hole is too big the cone could rest SIMILAR to this one

Click the image to open in full size.
The cone in the image above sits well on the shank but mine seems to be tilted downward at the eye... That might be making it top heavy.

My leader was pretty thick so I dont think it was the leader twisting.
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Default Re: Will using a cone too large for the hook rotate the fly?

Never really thought about it, but I assumed that flies tied on streamer hooks with beads or cones always turned over (hook point up). You've transferred the weight and center of gravity to the very front of the hook, and with a down-turned eye it should flip over, no?
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