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Old 10-02-2011, 03:15 PM
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If you werent fishing such big water, I'd recommend the Echo 4 wt SR. I love mine. I got it mostly for swinging wets for trout, but it will handily fish dries or nymphs.My biggest fish on it si far is a 20" summer steelhead. I like my SR so much, I'm planning to buy one of the Echo full size double handers - I just have to figure out if I want the Tim Rajeff model, or the Dec Hogan.

FWIW, I'm fishing smaller coastal rivers mostly with this outfit - using 40-70' casts. I'm using a #6 Airflo line (as recommended in the Echo catalog) with it.
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Old 11-20-2011, 12:13 AM
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Sorry to leave everyone in the dark about my little project for so long. To sum it up in a few words, I broke that Echo 7wt. SR a few weeks ago rideing it in the back of my truck to a different hole (dumb move!). I sent it back to Rajeff sports and got it back in 1.5 weeks. It was the longest time I didnt fish it since I got it in Feb. Prior to that it was three days! I cant get enouph of this thing... I think this summer I broke out the SH 6wt. once, got a 24"ish brown on a hopper w/ it and put it away till I broke my SR. I must say, this year I hooked more very large trout than I ever have just swingging bugs. Sad part is most of them broke off. Today I fished the "south side" of the tunnels on the Wind River and Had one staitghten the hook on a #6 muddler and landed a 24.5" bow plus two 20"+. It was +11 when I left the house and blow'in about 30mph. "nuts" is just an understatement......
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I'm glad that you are enjoying your switch stick.
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Old 11-25-2011, 03:46 AM
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Glad it's working so well for you.

I've mentioned my light switch rod on a few other boards, and the consensus is "why bother" - some just don't get it, others seem to take the tack that steelhead are the only fish worth using double handed rods for. Whatever.

The trout rods are a great way to learn the double handed casts for those of us who don't devote all our fishing efforts to steelhead.

Congrats on getting so many hawgs and the straightened hook. I'd be tempted to step up to higher test fluorocarbon leaders/tippets at that point. I saw some very low diameter, high strength fluoro at the fly shop a while back - but it was $20 for a 30 yard spool of the stuff. That's a bit too expensive for my taste, but 12lb, 5x leader was a neat idea.
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A lot of the breakoffs I had were my fault, I learned not to have the rod tip low and a tight grip on the line and moved up to 1x flouro. I dont see how anybody could look down at spey casting for trout. I dont see the SH guys fishing the "other" bank w/ a nymph or watching a 28" trout shoot four feet in the air. I`m just a few years into fly fishing, spey for almost one, and over thirty years chuck`in spinners. I`ve never hooked so many BIG trout till I got this switch rod. Today I had a bow come off right next to me on the bank that was over 28", landed one just under 24", 20" brown and a few under 20. All of them casting a snap T w/ my 450gr switch skagit head and a real big bug across the river.
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Wy, you gotta love stinging the fish that thought they were safe.
Big fish do make the transition to switch style easier.
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Old 11-28-2011, 04:08 AM
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A lot of the breakoffs I had were my fault, I learned not to have the rod tip low and a tight grip on the line and moved up to 1x flouro. I dont see how anybody could look down at spey casting for trout. I dont see the SH guys fishing the "other" bank w/ a nymph or watching a 28" trout shoot four feet in the air. I`m just a few years into fly fishing, spey for almost one, and over thirty years chuck`in spinners. I`ve never hooked so many BIG trout till I got this switch rod. Today I had a bow come off right next to me on the bank that was over 28", landed one just under 24", 20" brown and a few under 20. All of them casting a snap T w/ my 450gr switch skagit head and a real big bug across the river.
It's not so much single-handed snobbery - rather, at least here in Oregon, it seems that some anglers feel that spey/switch rods are the sole domain of steelhead, and can't fathom why someone would want to use a lighter version of that tackle for trouting. I get "whats the point" a lot - and even giving valid reasons, they just don't seem to "get" it. Then again - there's a group of anglers that don't understand why anyone would want to fish for trout when you can fish for salmon or steelhead, or why you'd want to fish for panfish and bass when you could fish for trout. There's an even larger group that doesn't understand why anyone would want to fish for carp - at least with any tackle short of a howitzer.
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Hey there, I'm Clay Hash from Fly Fishing Traditions in Northern California. I'm a new member of this board.

I've tried quite a number of switch rods, primarily the Sage Z-Axis, a Redington CPX, a Sage VXP, and a Sage TCX, and Beulah. I do alot of fishing from a drift boat where we side drift with indicators, tight line with nymphs in runs and slots out of the drift boat. Then we'll stop and get out of the boat and fish a riffle, or a drop off and then the run below the riffle. We may swing soft hackles or streamers through a tailout before we jump back in the boat. We fish for steelhead behind the salmon on their redds, behind them not through them, or swing tailouts with streamers using spey techniques.

The switch rod can be used in all these situations. It can be fished single handed when high sticking or when using it for indicator or tight line nymphing from a drift boat. It can be two hand casted when swinging a run with soft hackles or with bigger treamers for aggresisve trout and steelhead.

I just love to spey cast with a switch rod. It is a very versatile rod to add to your rack.

The rod I ended up buying was the Sage Z-Axis, 11 ft. 6 weight. It is a great rod for trout and summer run steelhead. Its a great rod!

After much experimentation, here is the Switch Rod setup that works for me.
I've got my Sage Z-Axis ready to rigg with;

(A) A Beulah 6/7 Elixer integated line. It performs great with this setup when I want to fish lighter flies and have the ability to mend when swinging. This was after trying a Rio Atlantic Salmon/Steelhead Line and a Rio Switch Rod line.

(B) When in a drift boat I line it with a Rio Indicator Line sized two weights over, an 8 weight. You can use this with indicators or tight line with it. If works great when walk wading using the same methods.

(C) I have a Airflo running line that I use with an Airflo Scandi 330 grain head. This works great for shooting longer distances and getting deeper. I can use Rio Verileaders with this settup an even Rio MOW light tips. on the lighter side uo to a 5 ft floater with a 5 ft T-8 tip. This can turn over flies up to about 2 1/2 inches not problem. casting this is like driving a posche.

(D) When I need to get deep I put on an Airflo Skagit 360 or 390 grain head deep with a cheater or Rio MOW tips or tips of T-11. It also works great if your tight to a rock bank and have no back cast room. Set up a small "D Loop" and crank it and the Skagit will get the job done. This is like driving a big 4 wheel drive.

I also carry;
(A) A full wallet of Rio Versileaders
(B) A full wallet of Rio MOW Light tips
(c) Various lengths of T-11 tips that I've made up with loops an each end.

With this setup I can fish anywhere from Northern CA to Alaska. All you have to do is get out and practice you spey casting and before you know it you'll be pounding casts out with ease.


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Hi, Clay. Welcome.
Glad to hear from another switch rod "misuser"..........I use almost the same setup...
Now, lets see some switch rod fish porn.

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So tell me bigkahuna, are you ever advising people to use a line that weighs half of what the bottom end of the grain window is? I didn't see anything in your desciption that tagged you as a misuser. Did I miss something?
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