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swirlchaser 12-09-2011 01:37 PM

Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
Hey guys, it's time to pick your brains again. After 2 trips with my 11" 9wt switch and a few fish under my belt I need some fine tuning. I'm basically using a two handed, over head cast. Should my upper hand be above the reel or towards the top of the grip. At the top of the grip feels a little unatural at the moment but I'm thinking that's where I should be.

jaybo41 12-09-2011 03:05 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
I am by no means an expert in casting, I am only starting to dip into switch rods:) With that said, check out youtube. From the looks of most videos I've watched, and recalling my instruction, it seems like you want to be at the top of the grip. By all accounts that I've read, these are some of the masters when it comes to two handed casting.






swirlchaser 12-09-2011 03:22 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaybo41 (Post 360772)
I am by no means an expert in casting, I am only starting to dip into switch rods:) With that said, check out youtube. From the looks of most videos I've watched, and recalling my instruction, it seems like you want to be at the top of the grip. By all accounts that I've read, these are some of the masters when it comes to two handed casting.

Thanks, I've pretty much memorized those 4 videos but no one is casting with a short, 11' rod. I was wondering if the positioning matters on a shorter rod. I won't bother to adjust if it's not going to make a serious impact on my cast.

Hardyreels 12-09-2011 03:30 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
I am quite unconventional in the cast, with that said I would lean toward whatever feels and works best for you. Many of the videos I have seen only resemble the conditions I face in that there is water involved. In an over head 2 hand cast the stage is wide open for you to find your sweet spot. I honestly couldn't tell you at this time where I have my hands on the grip when executing this cast.

jaybo41 12-09-2011 03:31 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
That's a good point that you bring up and a good question, sorry I missed that piece lol. I'll give my humble and inexperienced opinion and no doubt the experts here will chime in to validate.

The upper hand position has less to do with the length of the rod than does the type of casting you're doing...in this case 2 handed casting. I suspect whether you're doing traditional spey or skagit you want to keep it there. I would imagine that for one handed casting, it may be more of a personal preference.

Having logged many hours of fishing one hand rods exclusively, it would seem more natural to be closer to the reel. I know for me that was the case.

So what say the experts?

swirlchaser 12-09-2011 03:36 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaybo41 (Post 360780)
...Having logged many hours of fishing one hand rods exclusively, it would seem more natural to be closer to the reel. I know for me that was the case.

So what say the experts?

this is exactly my problem. It's instinctive for my to put my left hand(I'm a lefty) right above the reel in the lower well. I fished for 1.5 hours this morning before I even realized my hand wasn't where it was supposed to be. Made an effort to keep it up high for the last half hour but it sure felt weird.

jaybo41 12-09-2011 03:45 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
After a little more thinking about this maybe what's happening by keeping your upper hand closer to the reel is loss of power. Meaning, you're shortening up the distance to your lower hand or fulcrum. Not sure if my terminology or logic is accurate. I keep thinking back to Henrik's video and how he stresses that by putting the body into your casting will help deliver more line. Where you are fishing and how you're rigged is probably going to dictate how much line you actually need to push out though. Would love to hear what more experienced casters have to say, I should probably just taper off posting to this thread until that happens. :icon_lol: Good learning experience for all of us new two handers!

swirlchaser 12-09-2011 03:54 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaybo41 (Post 360812)
After a little more thinking about this maybe what's happening by keeping your upper hand closer to the reel is loss of power. Meaning, you're shortening up the distance to your lower hand or fulcrum. Not sure if my terminology or logic is accurate. I keep thinking back to Henrik's video and how he stresses that by putting the body into your casting will help deliver more line. Where you are fishing and how you're rigged is probably going to dictate how much line you actually need to push out though. Would love to hear what more experienced casters have to say, I should probably just taper off posting to this thread until that happens. :icon_lol: Good learning experience for all of us new two handers!

The physics sound right, I'll have to make it a point to keep my hand high and see if my distance increases.

Guest1 12-09-2011 07:21 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swirlchaser (Post 360736)
Should my upper hand be above the reel or towards the top of the grip. At the top of the grip feels a little unatural at the moment but I'm thinking that's where I should be.

With the overhead cast, I still put my upper hand at the top of the grip. I don't think it makes a terrible amount of difference. If you are spey casting however, it makes a difference depending on the style you choose to do. If you look at the first 2 videos jayboy posted, they are different styles. Eoin Fairgrieve does it the style I do. Henrik Mortensen does it Scandi style. I tried that style and didn't like it. First of all it helps to have a fast rod for scandi style. Just my opinion but I don't think you can cast as far scandi style.

fredaevans 12-09-2011 07:43 PM

Re: Need some fine tuning help guys.
 
Good starting point: drop your arms and put your elbows (loosely) at your side(s), lower arm(s) out/palm up. Have someone lay the rod in your hands. Obviously one's going to be on the lower grip and it goes where it goes. Ahhhhhh, but the upper hand is another ball game.

Give an inch (+/-)and that's your place.:fishing: Point being ... well, the point of your elbows. Regardless of caster/type of cast the elbows will be 'wider' than your body or at the minimum, pointed out to get them out of the way. I'm sure there are good casters who've got something else down 'pat,' but 98% of the time that's what you need.


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