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Old 07-08-2010, 07:43 PM
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Default how do spey and single handed weights compare?

I was thinking of picking up a spey rod as my second rod to get some northern pike and big carp, but i was wondering about the wt. People have suggested 8+ wt single handed rods, would that mean that an 8+ spey rod would be the same fightability? There is an 7/8 spey for sale on another forum, and i was thinking of picking it up, but if its lighter(or whatever you would call fightability) than a single handed 8 wt, i think i'll skip and wait.
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I think that DiverDan can answer this question better than I can, but I will take a shot at it. The performance for fighting a large Northern Pike or carp isn't really an issue. The issue is the delivery of the fly that you want to throw. Basically the rod and the line comprise the delivery system of the fly that you want to throw. Pike flies are very large, therefore a 8 or 9 weight Spey rod may be required. A 7 weight Spey with its matching line might be undergunned to deliver such a large fly.

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Default Re: how do spey and single handed weights compare?

ya good point. my brother has an 8wt 1 handed rod and it wasn't able to cast the wet bunny leech too well, though we are just starting out and aren't used to such large flies yet.
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Default Re: how do spey and single handed weights compare?

In terms of fly delivery, a "8wt" spey line will basically work like a 10wt single hander, though it depends on leader length, if sink tips are used, etc.
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In terms of fly delivery, a "8wt" spey line will basically work like a 10wt single hander, though it depends on leader length, if sink tips are used, etc.

Missed this thread, so more than a bit late 'chiming in.' Single hander lines and 2-hander lines are worlds apart and there's darned little way to compare one to the other. A two hander takes far more 'grains' to load the rod than comparable numbered one hander. To give a simple example a 3wt one hander line will be right at 160 grains, a 3wt two hander will require 275-325 to achieve the same function (or close to twice).

Then you toss into the mix that the grain weight of a single hander is measured over the first 30 feet and a 2-hander could be as short as 26 foot for a light Skagit set up to as much as 105'ish feet for Carron's or XLT long belly lines.

Too make it even more interesting, up to fairly recently, the UK 'standard' for a 2-hander line had little relationship what what was produced here in the States. It could cost you some big bucks to discover that what 'we'd' call a 9wt line a comparable UK produced (in terms of grain weights) would actually be a 10 or an 11!

Brit's buying our lines obviously ran into just the reverse problem; you needed to down size unless you wanted (purposely) to 'over-line' your 2-hander.

One other thing to toss into the mix here (one hander line development) is line design; not much of that's 'really new' for years (I'll leave line coating and such out of that).

Two hander lines? Every Tom, Dick and Harry has a new one (design) coming on the market annually. I really do wonder how many ways there are to 're-invent the wheel?'

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Sigh .... probably why many of us have so damned many lines rolled up and in zip-lock bags?
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Default Re: how do spey and single handed weights compare?

Fred,

How would you view so-called "switch" rods, supposedly for both two-handed and single-handed casting?

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Neil, with a true 'switch rod' these (with few, and I mean very few) exceptions were all designed to cast two hander lines. You can 'single hand' cast a spey line, but a regular 1-hander line wouldn't have any where near enough 'grains' to load the rod.

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Default Re: how do spey and single handed weights compare?

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I have a question along the same lines (no pun intended).

Comments on this forum have stated that a SH rod rated with 2 numbers (7/8 or 5/6) the dual ratings indicate the appropriate line weights when using either a DT or a WF line on the same rod.

I have noticed that a few spey rods are rated with single numbers, but most of them are rated with 2 numbers (7/8, etc.). What do the dual ratings indicate on a spey rod - diffrent line weights for different types of lines? If so, what are the line types/weights the ratings indicate. Thanks,
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I have noticed that a few spey rods are rated with single numbers, but most of them are rated with 2 numbers (7/8, etc.). What do the dual ratings indicate on a spey rod - diffrent line weights for different types of lines? If so, what are the line types/weights the ratings indicate. Thanks,
I think most of us use a spey rod rating as just a beginning to selecting the kind of rod we want for a particular kind/size of water, particular kind/size of fish, and a particular kind of fishing. Often the rods have very large grain windows, which allow for adjustments within a broad range of fishing styles. One angler with 7 weight spey rod will enjoy throwing 450 grains with it, while another will perform better with 550 grains on the same rod, while yet another will push it to 650 and do just great. I guess my point is you might end up trying a quite a few different combos before you find what works best for you.

Here's an affta chart, but I'd say it's almost useless.... I have a 7 weight that beautifully casts a 520 scandi and a 585 skagit.

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Neil, with a true 'switch rod' these (with few, and I mean very few) exceptions were all designed to cast two hander lines. You can 'single hand' cast a spey line, but a regular 1-hander line wouldn't have any where near enough 'grains' to load the rod.

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I just found this out when contemplating the "switch" to a switch rod for larger river Steel fishing this winter. I wanted to get an 8 wt. switch rod to go along with my 9 1/2 ft. 7 wt single hand rod that I use for fishing larger and smaller waters. What I found out was that using my 3.5 size Lamson would not work as the reel. I had no idea that 8 wt. line for this would be different than "standard" 8 wt. fly line. I actually changed my mind because I didn't want to buy the entire new outfit, reel and switch rod. I ended up buying a 10 ft. 8 wt. for the larger water.

I still have the itch to try a switch or spey rod and will do so some day. But I'll try one first before I go all out on a set up that's for sure. It's a big outlay of cash.
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