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Old 09-05-2013, 02:51 PM
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Default New to spey casting...advice on Sage TCX--7126-4

AKA 'Death Star', picked it up for half price here in Norway for ocean trout fishing mainly. Sage TCX -7126-4 12'6....

So the thing is, I realize this is halfway between a proper spey-rod (15' or more) and a single, but the dude in the shop as I'm a complete newb to two hand rods, gave me a scandinavian shooting tip or whatever it's called. So yes it worked brilliantly overhand casting scandi-style, but no way in hell was I able to learn some spey casting!

Basically a 12-14m Guideline shooting intermediate sink/28g...which of course is fine casting overhead...but I maintain now fri"# way can you cast that properly in a single or double spey! I was pretty sure (as I'm desperately keen to learn the spey casts!) that you should have NO MORE than 1-1.5x your rod length of shooting head on the water, (i.e. not quite the 12m from the guy in the shop!), and about the same in leader.

Any thoughts? Have to be honest, got a bit cranky with my local fly-fishing guys there (I have taught spey-casting for 15 years, and yes it is perfectly fine to cast 12m of shooting head from a 12' rod, BS BS!!)...

Frankly I don't see how a 30+' flyine + 12' leader and ocean-trout fly is going to be cast spey (single or double) from a 12' rod! But then am again a complete newb! Just barely getting to grips with spey casting on my sage #6 zxl.....moral support appreciated here!
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Default Re: New to spey casting...advice on Sage TCX--7126-4

Grab a Skagit Flight 550 for this rod and a floating mow tip. Here is a video that will help a little and there are many others on youtube.

Skagit Casting - Defined and Simplifyed - YouTube
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Skagit casting in Scandinavia? Wouldn't that be kind of...ummmm blasphemous?
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Ok so last night I was a little punchy and that was the first thing to come to mind. Today's a new day and I'm feeling a little more on my game, so here's some information for you to chew on.

I'll preface my comments with: I'm still learning. I'm hopeful others more knowledgable will chime in. If he doesn't respond to the post, you may consider sending fredaevans a PM, he's probably forgot more than I know about spey casting.

Congratulations on your rod purchase, by all accounts I've read that's one fine two hander you acquired! If I remember correctly, between the head and leader, the total should be about 3 times the length of your rod. The good news with that rod is since it's widely considered the darling of the lineup, there are many documented reviews/recommendations of it as to how to best fish it.

This is worth a read.

http://www.rioproducts.com/skin/summ...nes%202013.pdf

I enjoy Simon's teaching style both in books and video. This is a great book.

Spey Casting, 2nd Edition: Simon Gawesworth: 9780811702683: Amazon.com: Books Spey Casting, 2nd Edition: Simon Gawesworth: 9780811702683: Amazon.com: Books

This video really helped me.

A few other videos to search for, Henrik Mortensen and Göran Andersson, Ed Ward. If you get into Skagit casting, the Skagit Masters 1 video has a really good instructional segment by Ed in it.

Good luck and once again, congrats on adding that fine rod to your arsenal!
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Hi,

I don't know if you'll come back to read replies but will add what little I may know.

I believe that if you are wanting to execute 'traditional' Spey casts, a long or mid belly line will be much easier for this. The rod length you have is just 6" shorter than the 13' Hardy Marksman that I have been using since June.

I find that for short range casting on narrow channels a simple flip or roll is all that is needed but when the water opens up and you want repeated deliveries of the fly at distances of 50 - 90 feet the short head will not be optimum for this.

The length of the head 36' is about the minimum length you may need for the setting up of traditional casts. Due to the rod lengths (12' 6" - 15') some casts are much easier if you can simply sweep and setup with at least 50' of belly extending from the rod tip. With shorter lengths I have trouble because the entire cast, (the sweep - the anchor - forming of a proper D - etc) all of these become so abbreviated that casting becomes much less graceful.

For over head casts the longer belly also provides some advantage in that you do not need to strip in line to reach the 30' mark before lifting the line into a back cast. I would say that you should seek out some casters who are using long or mid belly lines and learn what and how they are using. If rod length becomes the restricting factor then you may want to bump up to at least a 14' rod. Since I find a 13' very nice on most rivers when matched with a 60' belly, your 12' 6" should work just fine once you zero in on the proper line. As for the fellow teaching Spey casting for 15 years, there is a large gulf between casting and fishing.

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See there, I knew someone more knowledgable than me would respond!
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Hi Jason,

I wouldn't go so far as saying I know much but I do know what I see. I am fishing beautifully with the 13 foot Hardy but am using an old SA mid belly on it.

Currently we are under 'Flood' warnings' on many rivers and streams from hear at home all the way to God knows where With another fall trout season at risk I am counting the raindrops here right now. If it were to stop and clear right now it will take 4 - 5 days before the waters are good.

All or most of the silvers are in and by the time the water drops they will all have color.................... The trout are here in number but again, the water must drop before fishing will improve.
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