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Old 01-20-2014, 11:23 AM
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"......... bad either if I can just stick to the 180° and the single spey anchoring principle so I won't hit my running line or my rod with the fly."

If you find your fly is hitting your line or rod on the forward cast its a dead give away that you're rod is too 'straight up and down' as you come out of your 'D Loop.' Cant the rod tip over 5 to 10 degrees until the rod passes your ear. Then you can go a vertical position for the rest of the cast.

At that point the rod/fly/line is 'committed' to stay out its own way.
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"......... bad either if I can just stick to the 180° and the single spey anchoring principle so I won't hit my running line or my rod with the fly."

If you find your fly is hitting your line or rod on the forward cast its a dead give away that you're rod is too 'straight up and down' as you come out of your 'D Loop.' Cant the rod tip over 5 to 10 degrees until the rod passes your ear. Then you can go a vertical position for the rest of the cast.

At that point the rod/fly/line is 'committed' to stay out its own way.
Thanks for the tip Fred. That issue only happens when I do single spey but not with sustain anchor casts. I am the problem here.
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Thanks for the tip Fred. That issue only happens when I do single spey but not with sustain anchor casts. I am the problem here.
Easy call here RF. There are two basic types of 'anchors' in spey casting. With Scandi/full on floater lines most (BUT NOT ALL!) anchors will be a 'touch and go' the other is a 'sustained/water load' anchor. Here you're usually talking about a 'Skagit' head and a full on sink tip. With a Scandi line you'll be using sinking poly leaders or a full floating leader (for a lack of a better term at the moment).

An example of 'not all' would be the Perry Poke. Aside here: Blow a 'touch and go' anchor cast ...... yes, we all do ..... come right back with a PP. And I do mean right now. No hesitation. 'Poke' will rip that busted cast right out of the water. Good cast in its own right, but pure magic with a 'Ah Nuts.'

As for what kind of rod action you want that will depend upon what line you'll want to toss. And there is a real difference in choice (manufacturer not withstanding); Skagit = a stiff tip. A Scandi/full dry you'll want more 'flex.'

Just personal observations.

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That is a pretty illustrative description Fred.

I never cast a Skagit line before, when I decided to pick up the switch rod I already knew that I wanted to do Scandi with poly leaders. We can bring this discussion to my own switch rod thread as I don't want to hijack this thread.
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I think it's important to differentiate between skagit/sustained anchor casting and traditional spey casting.
If you're going to be using a skagit head on the switch there are aspects to traditional spey techniques that will hinder you if you try to apply them to sustained anchor casting.

If you are going to be throwing a Skagit head I would highly recommend Skagitmaster 1.
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Easy call here RF. There are two basic types of 'anchors' in spey casting. With Scandi/full on floater lines most (BUT NOT ALL!) anchors will be a 'touch and go' the other is a 'sustained/water load' anchor. Here you're usually talking about a 'Skagit' head and a full on sink tip. With a Scandi line you'll be using sinking poly leaders or a full floating leader (for a lack of a better term at the moment).



An example of 'not all' would be the Perry Poke. Aside here: Blow a 'touch and go' anchor cast ...... yes, we all do ..... come right back with a PP. And I do mean right now. No hesitation. 'Poke' will rip that busted cast right out of the water. Good cast in its own right, but pure magic with a 'Ah Nuts.'



As for what kind of rod action you want that will depend upon what line you'll want to toss. And there is a real difference in choice (manufacturer not withstanding); Skagit = a stiff tip. A Scandi/full dry you'll want more 'flex.'



Just personal observations.



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What?????? I am doing it all wrong. I use soft rods for Skagit and stiffer rods for Scandi.



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