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Old 01-06-2009, 08:18 AM
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While fishing one day I was checked by an officer from my state's Dept of Nat Resources. We got to talking and he has been on the job for almost 40 years (well past retirement) and is the oldest and longest serving DNR Officer ever in my state. He told me he loves the job and his wift told him to retire when he wanted to or got to tires to work. Sounds like a wonderful job to me.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:39 AM
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To borrow from Alfred Miller, better known as Sparse Grey Hackle,

"If fishing is interfering with your business, give up your business."
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:55 AM
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Have you thought about the military? The person pictured in my avatar is
my son. He joined the USAF right after graduating high school. He tested
well in electronics, eventhough he still asked me to change the lightbulbs
in his bedroom...REALLY !

He enlisted for 6 years: it's a fast track promotion program that on the USAF
offers, and you become an airman 1st class upon graduation from basic
training. That saves you 16 months of in service time, and leads to becoming
a senior airman much sooner. It also pays more, and A1C's can do things
that basic airman can't. Here comes the good part....

The USAF has 3 degree granting components: the Academy, the University,
and the Community College of the Air Force. The latter was made a degree
granting institution by President Gerald Ford in 1974. The CCAF is a fully
accredited college, and has on average 350,000 students! (all branches use
the CCAF, either on base or online). My son first went to Keesler AFB for
850hrs of math and physics, and received college credit for every bit. He
then went to Sheppard AFB for courses in electronics, math (again), and
principles of avionics, etc. Another 800+ hours in total at Sheppard, and
all classes were college credit. He was at Keesler and Sheppard between
November 2006-May 2007 (classes are all day long), and he received
48 college credits.

He was then sent to Dover AFB to work as an Avionics and Flight Information
specialist on C-5 aircraft. It's really a regular job, and he worked 7am-3pm
all summer. In September, it was back to class for another 500 hours! Keep
in mind that he was being paid to attend class, and the USAF gives you
a room (sort of like a hotel room with a small kitchenette!), and free meals.

Anyway, he finished the last round of USAF classes, and then took classes
on his own time to get his Associates degree in Avionics and Electronics.
The remaining classes were in composition, business, and public speaking.
The USAF paid for them ahead of time, and professors from nearby colleges
conduct the classes on base. Not a bad deal!

Pay: As an A1C, Jr's starting take home pay was around $1,100/month, but
recall that room and meals are included. At Dover AFB, you are able to move
off base after 6 months. The housing allowance for an A1C is $1,268 (+/-),
and most airman share an apartment or house, and pocket the difference.
My son and two other airman rented a house 1 mile from the beach, and each
paid $500 total for rent and utilities. With his basic pay and housing allowance, he was taking home over $28,000/year, with benefits health and
education benefits that you wouldn't believe. In the civilian sector, you'd
have to be making around 50K to take home that much, and with those
benefits! Add in the free tuition, and the fact that my son is still 20 yrs old
(21 in a couple months), and that's a smoking deal! He can begin working
on his bachelor's degree at any time, and the USAF will pay for that as well.
You don't have to wait until you leave the military to receive education
benefits.

Other little perks include a private pilot's license for $800; car insurance through USAA: he was paying $3,000/year for liability as a high school senior,
and paid $38/month for liabilty through USAA (bought a new car, and pays
$130/month for full coverage now; military discounts at most retail stores that
average around 10%; he has always been moved to 1st class while wearing
his dress blues on commercial flights, etc. Best of all, a 20-yr-old gets paid
to play with the largest airplane in the United States military!

Now if you decide to go to college, go with a state school, or get some sort of tuition scholarship. My wife and both graduated from Villanova in 1984, and
tuition was $5,200/year. It is now $33,000, and that's ridiculous for anything
but sciences and engineering. Speaking of sciences and engineering, get a
degree in these fields. I have a BA and MA in History, and quickly realized
my only option to begin making a living early was in the building trade ( I was
joined by a part-time prof I knew!).

The math is quite clear:
4 years of full-time college at a private university will cost $120,000, and
$20,000 in lost wages each year because if you don't work while in school
(assuming a wage of $10/hr, which is pretty easy to find in my area). That
$200,000 over 4 years! You might find a job that pays more than a person
with only a high school diploma, but that person had better not be a plumber,
electrician, or carpenter (in that order). That's really something to think about
before making what will be a business decision.

Trout Bum: In his forward to the book, Gary LaFontaine states that a person
has to be at least 30 something, and have something to loose in order to be
regarded as a trout bum. Doing it in your teens or 20's is simply an adventure.
A nice adventure, but not a bum....yet
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:15 AM
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Just in case you thought basic training involved eating dirt 24/7, I took
this photo of Jr and Spurs cheerleader the night BEFORE graduation !

Click the image to open in full size.

USAF basic training is just learning to dress, memorize ranks, parade and
drill, etc. Jr's was the first class to be issued a functioning M-16, but they
don't sleep with it like the Marines....he wanted to, but they don't .
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Old 01-06-2009, 01:06 PM
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Great thread!

I have been in retail, manufacturing, more retail, to now, I play Rock and Roll and guide. Not yearly great money, but not all bad. Playing music, sometimes $1,000. a weekend....guiding $1,000. a week, but this is not constant. I am married though LOL

Your in a band? that is awesome. You play your own stuff or cover?
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:01 PM
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Your in a band? that is awesome. You play your own stuff or cover?
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:29 PM
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Yea if you want a career in the Military USAF is the best way to go or even the Coast Guard. But that it more hands on work.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:58 PM
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I enlisted in the Coast Guard 2 months after high school graduation and spent six years active, 2 in SanFran and the last 4 on the Southeast Panhandle of Alaska doing primarily Search & Rescue operations for the commencial salmon fleet and pleasure boats. Following that, I hooked up with a Sheriff's Dept. in Central California where I have been for the past 22 years. Current a Lieutenant and anxiously awaiting retirement in the next couple of years. Law Enforcement has it's ups and downs but I stuck it out because it's hard to beat the safety retirement in California. Following retirement, I'm likely heading to Montana around BigFork or Polson (relatives in the area) or were going back to Alaska, either way I'll be fishing all the time.

My only advice is to pick a career that: 1) You enjoy 2) Is solid for the future as you will be surprised how fast it will fly by.

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Old 01-06-2009, 04:50 PM
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Go SPURS GO!!! (Gotta love this town)

Here's my advice: for appeal to the most potential employers, get a business degree. If you can get some sort of computer science or MIS minor or something, thats even better.

For another approach, the best advice on the topic I've ever heard came from the dean of students where I went to college: "Find something you're passionate about and live a life that shows it." Its up to you to figure out just what that means, and it may not be the most lucrative path to take, but I think its good advice.

Or you can just be like the rest of us and follow my first suggestion and intend to get to the second one most/all of your life.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:58 PM
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I am an engineerig tech and I am trying to finish school also. I find enjoyment in what I do and it pays the bills.

I don't have that much time for fishing due to a new addition to our family last June, but I find time to go with my father in law on the weekends when my wife hangs out with her mother.

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