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Old 04-27-2013, 11:43 AM
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They may be scared but it's not because of a single real study. It's because of attacks from people who I trust about as far as I can toss them.

Let them do the study and then put up the big graphics.
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They may be scared but it's not because of a single real study. It's because of attacks from people who I trust about as far as I can toss them.

Let them do the study and then put up the big graphics.
Dan, when you see the study and if it doesn't agree with what could easily appear a preconceived notion will you go with it or cry foul?
Heres a study:
Bristol Bay | US EPA

"Bristol Bay produces roughly half of the world’s wild sockeye salmon, valued at nearly $500 million a year, and supports more than 14,000 fisheries and processing jobs including some in Washington. Bristol Bay also supports a big recreational fishery and supports a multi-million-dollar subsistence harvest."
Investigate Bristol Bay mine developer, Cantwell tells SEC | Strange Bedfellows — Politics News - seattlepi.com
The jobs mentioned above aren't make believe nor are they part time jobs that would expire if or when the mine plays out. What would play out are the very real jobs and monies AND pleasure that Bristol Bay as it stands today unscathed brings to us now and in the future.

On a whole 'nuther note... Why is it no American companies try to expoit our land as the Canadians do? Bristol Bay and the Keystone pipeline mess are projects from companies in Canada. My guess is that American companies either know better than to try or they no longer of want to work hard to earn money. Maybe Canadians see us as pushovers as long as they dangle a few bucks in our face.
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Last thing I am going to say, the EPA report is not the environmental impact report. The actual impact report has not been done yet.

The EPA is also the one that claimed the Polar Bear was going extinct based on ZERO actual evidence, because evidence points to them becoming a serious pest problem at the rate their population is increasing. These are the same people that claimed a mine here could, and the always parse it with could, polute the BWCA, despite it not even being in the same watershed. If it did, you have have to load the pilings up in truck and then from a nearer point hand carry it in because there are no roads. So my opinion of their reports are based on the abundance of politics driven BS that has come out of them.

I only said, wait for the real report before getting your panties in a bunch. A report from someone who does not have an overriding political agenda. Right now there is no report. Not a real impact report. (Yes I realize that's completely unreasonable.. It's everyones right to jump to conclusions based on politics not facts.)

As for the pipeline, yah let's not do it in safest manner. Let's load it on trucks and trains and drag it down here. They never have accidents. Because it's coming here or China. We don't need jobs or safe energy transportation. The heck those union jobs. Yah, let's do it your way. Let's keep mowing down rainforests for biodeisel farms. That's a good idea. No Salmon there.

Fysh's link below proves my point. If that had been the actual impact report, the mine would have been shot down right there on the spot. The fact they are comments, which I will be adding to, proves there has been no impact report. So thank you fysh, once again you came through for me. So in my best Mr. Rogers voice, cay you all say preliminary permitting process?
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I understand the anxiety of the locals and would be right there with them, what saddens me the most is the rightful distrust of our government. Dan I respect and believe you to be correct about the independent study and those whom live in the area to be affected are probably correct also. I think the more important questions to be answered are who are the politicians involved and will they volunteer 10 years prison time if we find any evidence of profiteering from this boondoggle!!!

And comments about the pipeline, some where somehow we lost the american spirit that MADE this country. I didn't see anyone saying "yes we can build this and it will be designed to be the safest pipeline ever constructed, even better than the Alaska/Canada line". All we got was "NO" which translates to "we're not smart enough"

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I'd like to urge everyone to use this link and tell the EPA to strike down the efforts to make this "disaster in the making" from ever being moved forward on.
Comment Now to the EPA to Protect Bristol Bay, Alaska's Priceless Watershed, and Tell a Friend to be entered to win a dream trip to Bristol Bay - Save Bristol Bay

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I'd like to urge everyone to use this link and tell the EPA to strike down the efforts to make this "disaster in the making" from ever being moved forward on.
Done.

Here's what many who now live in and around and make a living from Bristol Bay feel about about the proposed mine. Included are a few facts about the vast size of the mine and the environmental and human safety track records of some of the key players in this idea:
Commercial Fishermen For Bristol Bay | A National Voice For Bristol Bay, Alaska Fishing Jobs
are these not real, sustainable jobs that existed in the past, are being done right now and if things are left unscathed will be there in the future?
Knowing that these are jobs that are there already is the risk really worth it and why?

Despite the red herrings being tossed in to take us off point, this seems like a stupid idea on its own even without the possibilities of disaster to one of the greatest fisheries in the world and the jobs and livlihoods that go along with that grand, naturally renewable resource.
If anyone thinks the best we can possibly do is continue using inefficient 100 year old gasoline engine technology that relies on burning decomposed flora a fauna from the Jurassic period 175 million years ago then that is one sorry state of affairs. I expect this mindset from cave dwellers in places far away and far removed from the modern world.
I'm sure the oil companies and the oil producers from the middle east appreciate it though.
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The important thing here is to stay on topic, the mine is the real and present danger over there, not the Keystone pipeline - polar bears, or anything else.

Regardless of mistrust of 'government' we in America do have an Environmental Protection Agency as a branch of the government of the United States. Just the very title of the agency is comforting to some citizens. It is good for some to know that should they find a case of illegal dumping of toxins, that there is a government agency task for these issues. Imagine if your only course of action were to call 911 and rely on a local police officer to respond to a major incident.

I'm sure there have been circumstances where it can be pointed out that the EPA has been wrong headed on a situation but on a whole I believe it and the people staffing it put us as Americans way ahead of many other countries. The current rising global industrial juggernaut of China is already reaping what they have sewn with their blatant disregard for environmental standards and the bills are just beginning to come in. When they begin to see the full repercussions of their polluting and wanton degradation of their country I suspect they will be most regretful.

It would be swell if for once we could all look at a looming environmental threat such as Pebble Mine as conservationist minded fly fisher men & women. Leave all the political dogma out of the equation and look at this for what it is.

'Bristol Bay & surrounding lands'; It is currently an unspoiled wilderness of land and sea that supports the worlds greatest salmon population. This is not political, it is not something to be debated, it is exactly as I have just written. The only way to obtain a real environmental impact report is to go ahead and dig the worlds largest gold, copper & molybdenum mine right at the head waters of this wilderness. After it would be done and the various chemicals put into use to extract the ore from the mined soil, then you would be able to begin an accurate environmental impact report. If in fact things don't work out just right; our situation will be as Cesar said after crossing the Rubicon River, "The Die Is Cast".

I am first and foremost a lover of wild things and places. I have spent my life seeking out these things and places as I suspect all who are posting to this topic have done to some extent. I do not mine gold, I have nothing to gain from one more gaping hole in the earth. I have only my utopian dreams to sustain myself on while those around me plot the next big thing.

Please, if you believe that this mine is a great idea and that it will make America strong again, contact the mining company and tell them so. They will be happy to hear from you. If you mistrust the government of the United States, contact your US. representatives and express your concerns. I have been on the No Pebble band wagon for years and don't plan to get off at any time soon. I hope one day I can see that place without the rising smoke of a smelter, the noise of an open pit mine, or the sight of ore barges on the horizon every time I look to sea.

That's what I think about all of this, I have no agenda, I am not a politician, and no tax dollars were used for this message which I have proof read and approve of.
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'Bristol Bay & surrounding lands'; It is currently an unspoiled wilderness of land and sea that supports the worlds greatest salmon population. This is not political, it is not something to be debated, it is exactly as I have just written.
That should be enough for anyone.
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Even ol' Hank Patterson is urging everyone to let the EPA know what a fiasco the Pebble Mine would end up being.
https://www.facebook.com/HankPatters...lyFishingGuide

BTW...Mrs fysh and I had the opportunity to spend some time with Hank recently and I must say he's quite the character, all around good guy.

Be sure and watch this awesome video about Sockeye and Bristol Bay!
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OK, I changed my mind. I'm with you guys. I now condemn the mine even though it is based on nothing. It's a shame it's based on nothing so the head of the EPA, Carol Browner could just crush them like bugs and get it over with. I don't care if it ignores the legal system, due process or how unfair it is. What's the point of having laws if you can't abuse them to fit an agenda. I don't care that it would raise tax revenue and vital resources. I'm sure Carol Browner was just kidding when she called for the bankruptcy of all the rich nations. She seems perfectly reasonable now.
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